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Minors
Sept 18, 2009 7:55:51 GMT 10
Post by Senior Player on Sept 18, 2009 7:55:51 GMT 10
Would anyone be able to tell me when the minor players actually start playing?
I train with thirds and fourths players and a number of them who play for fun are starting to ask, amongst the squad, why they are expected to pay the same fees as Major A and B grade players as A and B seem to be getting a disproportionate number of extra games. It has been suggested that the Minors don't start until the 7 week, 15 game relegation process is finished which would be approx. 8 November. Is this also relevant for the 14,16 and 20's?
Can anyone clarify and confirm the proposed starting dates please?
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Minors
Sept 18, 2009 17:22:30 GMT 10
Post by 18closer on Sept 18, 2009 17:22:30 GMT 10
I agree to Senior Player. "Players" for lower grades are not paying their fees for supporting top two grade comps or being spectator. They pay for their games, sport they wanna "play".
I've been query the way GBL treating lower grade comp: eg, the 3rd weekend January this year, all GBL games were canceled because of a Claxton Shield game which the day lower grades could have games & watched the Claxton Shield game later. No offense to the top players, they are great & always showed us good examples how the sport should be played; however, the lower grade players felt the opportunities they could participate to the sport were taken in the weekend.
And as I've been a junior coach in older age group(U16,20), I've seen a lot of those players left a baseball field when they thought they were not good enough to make a state squad or Clubs' A grade squads. That's not all about playing baseball...You know...But The way treating lower grades might be a n one of reason for this.
I guess GBL are now focus on ready to the new ABL league, making a strong back born. That's great, we need it! But I'm not appreciated that the lower grades are abandon. This is an one of problem why our great sport are not popular enough. We need more participants!!!
Finally, I think GBL office should have a separate division to take care the lower grade comp, or creating new association for it.
Wish the Minors comp start very soon.
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Minors
Sept 18, 2009 19:03:38 GMT 10
Post by wildpitch23 on Sept 18, 2009 19:03:38 GMT 10
The Minor teams are scheduled to start play next Sunday, Sept 27th. BQI sent an email to all clubs on Sept 9th explaining that, even though GBL had planned to start the Minors comp earlier, many of the clubs did not have enough senior players registered to field the teams that they had nominated. We can't expect them to generate a draw and run a competition if clubs are then going to pull out or forfeit because they don't have enough players. This is not GBL's fault, it is the fault of clubs that don't get organised by the dates that they have been asked to. Below is the list of clubs on Sept 9th and how many seniors that they had registered even though they were supposed to be registered by Sept 1 so that a draw could be finalised for all grades to start playing. Keep in mind that most of these clubs have nominated Maj A and B and they also have to be fielded with the numbers listed. One club has nominated three senior teams and only has 14 seniors registered. Even with all their Under 20s playing on Sundays, they could not field 9 fresh players in each grade (new rule this season). Two clubs have nominated teams and have no seniors registered!!! If you belong to one of the clubs that didn't have sufficient numbers, maybe you should ask some questions there before we quickly jump to conclusions and criticise GBL. All Stars Minors A and C 30 (4 teams Maj A, B, Min A & C) Pine Hills Minors A and C 34 (4 teams) Carina Minors A B C and Masters 48 and 0 Masters (6 teams but Masters can double up) Windsor Minors A B C 40 (5 teams) Narangba Minors A and C 35 (4 teams) Padres Minors A B C and Masters 52 and 1 Masters (6 teams) Pine Rivers Masters 14 and 0 Masters (3 teams) Beenleigh Minors A 29 (3 teams) Eagles Minors C 0 (1 team) Indians Minors A B and Masters 40 and 0 Masters (5 teams) Redlands Minors B and C 24 (4 teams) Musketeers Minors A 22 (3 teams) Rangers Minors A 29 (3 teams) Southern Stars Minors B and C 0 (2 teams) Wests Minors A and Masters 20 and 0 Masters (4 teams) Mudgeeraba Masters 18 and 12 Masters (3 teams) Surfers Masters 25 and 0 Masters (3 teams) Hopefully all clubs have finally got their registrations done and our lower grades can get out there and hit the diamonds next weekend.
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Minors
Sept 18, 2009 22:12:17 GMT 10
Post by Senior Player on Sept 18, 2009 22:12:17 GMT 10
Thanks very much Wild Pitch23 for the great information.
However I cannot understand why GBL do not just place that info on the BQ website. A number of clubs have not updated their websites in ages and provide no info to their members because of a lack of computer friendly volunteers. Rumours are rife amongst lower grade players, some of which have been confirmed by your post!!
If a club does not have sufficient senior players to field 3 teams, by the designated cut off date set down by GBL, why does GBL change the ground rules to suit those clubs. Shouldn't they automatically be placed in the Pacific/Brisbane league? If a club has 9 A grade players who win every game, but cannot register 3 teams by the GBL specified date, and without even taking into account junior player number requirements,why are they allowed to even participate in the pre-season relegation comp??
For example a rumour amongst many player Is that a long standing club has no committee and that BQ has been acting as their committee?? I believe that every club has to meet GBL expectations but let's keep them to the pre arranged time frames please??
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Minors
Sept 19, 2009 11:07:04 GMT 10
Post by puff on Sept 19, 2009 11:07:04 GMT 10
Maybe part of the problem this year could be to do with the season starting a month earlier than usual. A lot of minor players turn up a week before the start of the season and arent keen enough to put in 4 -6 weeks of practice before the games begin.
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Minors
Sept 21, 2009 12:30:40 GMT 10
Post by 44 on Sept 21, 2009 12:30:40 GMT 10
RE Seniors Fees:Some players are obvious Majors or Bris Cup standard, so possibly a 2 tier Fees system could work, but what about Bris Cup A players aspiring for Major A/B or a Club that wants to drop a Major B player back to Bris Cup A ?? That would get very messy with a 2 tier Fees system. RE MyClub numbers:I can see the problem for GBL here and I personally have a lot of experience with MyClub and MyComp fixtures system. Unless there are confirmed numbers in MyClub, how can GBL generate a draw unless they can confirm Team and member numbers For sure, stick to a confirmed cut off date though. I saw an email somewhere stating Bris Cup starts on 27th Sept. so I can only assume the cutoff date is this week sometime for confirmed numbers. I see a problem in that some clubs may not have the puter savvy volunteers to get their Senior members in MyClub on time, but that's the system and if some clubs can do it correctly, all clubs will have to work to the system or ask for help. Wildpitch23 showed some fairly telling stats. 3 Clubs have 40-50+Seniors. A club that has only 14 surely cannot be considered a Majors club?
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Minors
Sept 21, 2009 16:46:08 GMT 10
Post by justme on Sept 21, 2009 16:46:08 GMT 10
I coach one of the Bris Cup A grade teams mentioned above. We have been ready and in pre-season training for the last 10 weeks. It is getting hard to keep the team interested as there is still no confirmation from BQ when the season will start. The BQ's own by-laws state that the draw must be released 7 days prior to the first game. That was yesterday so it's not looking promising for a start this Sunday... I do understand the problem BQ have with clubs not being organised. But this is very easy to fix. Set your cut off dates well in advance. And any club who is not ready by this date misses out or is fined. You can guarantee they will be ready for the next year. By delaying the whole league because of the slackers.. just allows them to be slackers...
I have been involved with Baseball for 28 years in both QLD and NSW. I have never seen this level of disorganisation before. BQ must understand that our game is bigger than just Major A & B. And yes "Senior Player" you are right, players in the lower grades pay their fees too and deserve the same value for money as the Major teams. We do not currently get this...
Come on BQ fair go... We just want to play ball...
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Minors
Sept 21, 2009 17:24:39 GMT 10
Post by 44 on Sept 21, 2009 17:24:39 GMT 10
I coach one of the Bris Cup A grade teams mentioned above. We have been ready and in pre-season training for the last 10 weeks. It is getting hard to keep the team interested as there is still no confirmation from BQ when the season will start. The BQ's own by-laws state that the draw must be released 7 days prior to the first game. That was yesterday so it's not looking promising for a start this Sunday... I do understand the problem BQ have with clubs not being organised. But this is very easy to fix. Set your cut off dates well in advance. And any club who is not ready by this date misses out or is fined. You can guarantee they will be ready for the next year. By delaying the whole league because of the slackers.. just allows them to be slackers... I have been involved with Baseball for 28 years in both QLD and NSW. I have never seen this level of disorganisation before. BQ must understand that our game is bigger than just Major A & B. And yes "Senior Player" you are right, players in the lower grades pay their fees too and deserve the same value for money as the Major teams. We do not currently get this... Come on BQ fair go... We just want to play ball... Nice post justme.. I think you just hit a walk off RBI
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Minors
Sept 21, 2009 18:02:16 GMT 10
Post by craft on Sept 21, 2009 18:02:16 GMT 10
Well said boys, if teams are not in by now, too late. Why penalise a lot for a few
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Minors
Sept 22, 2009 18:53:21 GMT 10
Post by madmax on Sept 22, 2009 18:53:21 GMT 10
great post, justme! the BQI seem to think that the whole of brisbane's baseball future rests on major A & B. it's the grassroots support that makes a great "premier" competition. for example, soccer has about 15 (what we would call) "minor" leagues and 6 masters leagues. one club has about 1,000 juniors. it from this base that you move forward.
that is why it is particularly foolish for BQI to kick the minors they do have. the minors should be supported and extended as much as possible. these are the guys (and girls) that are going to fill club committees, volunteer for work, spend money at your canteen, enrol their kids in juniors, etc. they should be treated as a precious commodity and are certainly worthy of more respect than they are accorded (by BQI and clubs).
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Minors
Sept 23, 2009 10:43:14 GMT 10
Post by rallymonkey44 on Sept 23, 2009 10:43:14 GMT 10
Clearly from the earlier posts on this topic there is a lot of underlying concern, frustration and plain disgust at the way the Minor comp players are being treated by BQI / GBBB. This is not a one off for this season this has been going on each year for the past six years that I have played ball here in Brisbane. Its an endemic problem with the administration of the game.
As an example you only need to look at the focus of the posts and information provided on the BQI home page of this website. How many articles and posts are directed specifically for the minor comps and players. As at 23/09/09 unless you have coaching or umpiring clinics then the site is pro majors, juniors and national and overseas actvities. - if you play minors you get Zip!
When members of clubs are required to pay a fee for particpation and that fee is equal for both majors and minors players, is it not fair for members to expect that they will receive similar levels of adminstration of their games? To date there is a schedule of games for majors, games have commenced and the season is underway, the games administrators web page is covered in blogs, posts and information about the competition, stats etc. But hey, If your a minor player you have no schedule, no games, no information or feedback and in this economic climate, no return on your investment.
I would be interested to see what percentage of fees for clubs are contributed by minor comp players, I would has at a guess that they have a significant representation in most clubs. This combined with the members actvities and assistance they provide clubs in other roles such as junior coaching, grounds, canteen, commitees, umpiring, fund raising etc.
Seems strange that they can't get the same level of enthusiam, respect and value for money as other fee paying members?
When you ask people to pay money for something then you are running a business. Those that have paid become your customers. The business then has an obligation to provide a product, service and care for its paying customers. When this doesn't happen customers leave.
Its not rocket science - but it might explain why baseball memberships across the country have been in steady decline for the past 10 years.
Hey BQI how about showing some loyalty and respect for minor comp members and start showing it quickly!
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Minors
Sept 23, 2009 12:58:00 GMT 10
Post by snoball on Sept 23, 2009 12:58:00 GMT 10
Exactly right, monkey. For far too long minors and any competition except Major A and U20's get the "hand me downs". One I disagree with is when they stop Minors fixtures because of Claxton shield games or Major All star games. Really, guys, most minors players don't want to give up their game -- they don't want to watch the Claxton shield. They have their own comp and prefer that.
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Minors
Sept 23, 2009 13:05:39 GMT 10
Post by T on Sept 23, 2009 13:05:39 GMT 10
The BQ's own by-laws state that the draw must be released 7 days prior to the first game. That was yesterday so it's not looking promising for a start this Sunday... I don't know about that. I can recall seasons in the past where the draw was handed out on the Wednesday or Thursday, 24 hours before the first Friday night game Keep in mind this time last year it was still 3 weeks till the start of the season.
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Minors
Sept 23, 2009 13:37:48 GMT 10
Post by rallymonkey44 on Sept 23, 2009 13:37:48 GMT 10
Teebag, you have missed the point of my post and in turn validate my argument with your example.
Precisely, the draws of previous years where never done in a manner that allowed adequate preparation and planning to meet the game schedules. Is 24 hours prior to the start of the season reasonable notice? (Some of us have jobs and familes that also need to be co-ordinated - we aren't all young and single baseball fanatics).
Secondly, Majors are underway now, minors are not, simple yet important point of difference. Yet again my point in question. Last years start time has no relevance for this year. Bottom line is administrators have started the season with their scheduling. Majors are yet again the beneficiaries of resources at the expense of other competitions.
Granted majors have two games per week ( I don't have a big issue with this) I do however wonder how many overall weeks of games my minor comp membership gets me in comparison to majors? The clock is ticking and we are two weeks behind and counting.
I want to play just like my minor team mates, but hey where is my comp?
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Minors
Sept 23, 2009 14:30:42 GMT 10
Post by 18closer on Sept 23, 2009 14:30:42 GMT 10
rallymonkey44, I strongly agree your posts which explain how I feel.
I coached one of GBL Major C team last year & will coach one of Div1 A grade team. The guys playing lower grades are not quite good baseball players as the players in higher grade, nor even don't looks like athletes. However, they love baseball & always wanna play!!! But the way GBL is doing is now or even has been killing those guys' intensity & passion for participating to our great sport!!!
I mentioned in other post that I've seen a lot of older junior players(U16,20) left a baseball field when they thought they were not good enough to make a state squad or Clubs' A grade squads. I think this issue and the way GBL treating lower grade players and comp are storongly related.
"Good Baseball for everyone" It's my small & simple wish.
And rallymonky44, good luck with your team & I'll see you soon as our exiting season starts
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