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Minors
Feb 21, 2010 18:27:13 GMT 10
Post by justme on Feb 21, 2010 18:27:13 GMT 10
Wildpitch23 and Ramsfan44 make good points. But you must understand that this decision directly affects a lot of people and the hard work they have applied over a long time. People just get emotional and frustrated as a direct result. All we are asking is that BQ understand that we take what we do each week very seriously. And this decision cheapens that commitment.
Our arguement is that the draw was set in September. It was good enough then so it should be good enough now. BQ obviously want a different GF date for the minors moving forward. And next year they can plan to do so. But it is too late to fairly do this this year without doing the wrong thing.
So the best solution is as Wildpitch23 and Ramsfan44 have suggested. Play the GF in the C grade timeslot before the majors GF. The same timeslot as we have played all year. I am sure Minor B or Minor C could not really care less. The majors would not care. We want this. So it is only BQ that seem to have a problem with playing as a curtainraiser to the majors. Why??? This makes sense under the current circumstances...
Cmon BQ do the right thing and allow us to have the correct finals series format. We have earned it...
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curious
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Minors
Feb 21, 2010 19:43:58 GMT 10
Post by curious on Feb 21, 2010 19:43:58 GMT 10
WHAT AN ABSOLUTE JOKE BQ!!!! Why should SQBL A grade final series suffer, because BQ decided to start the season late? WHY didn't you realise at the START of the season that it was going to run over time compared with B and C minors? If anyones finals format should be changed, it should be B or C grade, not the top division in the minors.......this is not bloody T-BALL!!! What is the problem with playing the grand final on the same day as the majors? USE SOME COMMON SENSE!!! You CANNOT change the rules this late in the season, it is completely unfair to the teams placed 1 and 2, who have done all the hard work during the season, to get themselves into an advantageous position. WHY CAN BQ NOT SEE THE PROBLEM? ?? oh.....thats right...its only Minors...who cares? EVRYONE WHO PLAYS IN SQBL A GRADE CARES!!!! as well as all their family, friends and supporters!!! STOP TREATING THE MINOR DIVISIONS AS SECOND CLASS CITIZENS AND DO WHAT IS RIGHT BY PLAYERS WHO HAVE PAID THEIR MONEY TO HAVE A COMPLETE SEASON!!!!!! IT IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE TO ROB THE SQBL A GRADE OF A COMPLETE FINAL SERIES BECAUSE OF A STUFF UP ON THE PART OF BQ....... DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
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dj
Little Leaguer
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Minors
Feb 22, 2010 7:34:06 GMT 10
Post by dj on Feb 22, 2010 7:34:06 GMT 10
The changing of the SQBL A grade final format is just another hypocritcal judgement made by BQ. I left the sport 12 years ago because of simillar reasons, we also lost a lot of top grade players around the same time frame between 12 and 8 years ago, these were Australian and Queensland represtive players leaving for simaller reasons made under the ruilling of the then BQI a GBBB. Baseball in queensland is not gorwing in strengths for many reasons and on if them is that if your not playing in the top grade of the game you mean nothing to the game, this is a perfect example. Your own BI Laws state we must have a 3 game finale series but because we are not in the top grade you just push us around.
This is only happening (i feel) is so you canhave your MAJOR GRAND FINALS SERIES by its self without any minors interupting. Once again Minor players, who pay the same amunt in registration, are only minor players and don't mean us much. If we want our sport to grow we need to treat all grades form juniors to seniors div 1, div 2, minours, majors, all need to be treated with the same respect.
HOW MUCH LONGER CAN OUR GAME SURVIVE WITH HYPOCRITICAL RULEINGS?
TREAT US ALL FAR.
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Minors
Feb 22, 2010 9:20:54 GMT 10
Post by justme on Feb 22, 2010 9:20:54 GMT 10
Oops there are those emotions and frustrations again...
Look all this can be avoided. It makes good sense to allow the SQBL A grade to play on the same day as the Majors in the old C grade timeslot. As Wildpitch says it will be a good curtain raiser for Major A & B.
We are not asking for anything difficult or different. Just asking to play the full season and correct finals format as it was intended when BQ released the draw back in September 2009. All we want is the same as every other competitions from Major A's down to Juniors and in line with the precedent set over many years both here in QLD and as well as every other baseball association around the country... A 3 game finals format...
Cmon BQ we the players didn't mess this up... But you BQ can fix it and restore some faith... Do the right thing...
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dj
Little Leaguer
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Minors
Feb 22, 2010 10:27:50 GMT 10
Post by dj on Feb 22, 2010 10:27:50 GMT 10
emotins and fratrations yes. if we want our sport to servive and thrive we need to start treating all grades and Age groups the same. how many players to we need to lose for BQ to wake up its self. in the 90's Basebal was the qiuckest growing played sport in Queensland now look at it. and why i ask BQ i ask agian can our sport afford to lose more players even if they are from the lower grades will we see baseball in queensland RIP before BQ relizes what its doing to our game. i ask one more Question of BQ if there willing to ignore there own bi laws this year whats that mean of said bi laws that they mean nothing? this is a dangurious president to set don't you think
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lyn
Tee Baller
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Minors
Feb 22, 2010 12:16:06 GMT 10
Post by lyn on Feb 22, 2010 12:16:06 GMT 10
C'mon everyone - is this just a slag session at BQ. If someone has something to say do it constructively and through the right channels i.e. your club. Clubs have supported the decision here I believe so don't just criticize BQ every time something happens that you don't agree with it. Some of the comments here are totally destructive - if you want to influence a decision get involved yourself. Officials are like umpires - decisions have to be made and sometimes they will please one side and not the other. And guess why we have too few umpires and officials - the constant slagging they get from inside and outside
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homer
Little Leaguer
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Minors
Feb 22, 2010 12:55:14 GMT 10
Post by homer on Feb 22, 2010 12:55:14 GMT 10
Well said Lyn. I have been watching this for days now and just had to have a say. I actually contacted BQ and found out that the clubs were given a vote as to the finals format. The result was 6 - 4 to leave the comp as advertised. So give them a break, democracy is at work. Don't forget the bottom teams, theu want to play games too, not just teams 1 and 2 wanting to get a second bite at the final. If you want to know what is going on ask someone that knows. Your club secretary or BQ.
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Minors
Feb 22, 2010 13:08:23 GMT 10
Post by justme on Feb 22, 2010 13:08:23 GMT 10
Lyn you are right. People are emotional over this decision through frustration.
Also you are correct that the clubs did have a vote. But the vote should never have taken place in the first place because BQ should just stick to the schedule outlined back in September. To put it into perspective you have teams voting for an outcome that does not affect them. You have teams positioned 4 and 5 voting for an outcome that directly gives them an unfair advantage... A vote was a poor choice to resolve this issue... It was never going to deliver a fair outcome...
This decdision is a big one. How many times has the finals format been changed only weeks before the end of the season in Baseball Queensland's history? I'm guessing this is the first time... This is a decision that gives some teams a clear unfair, unearned advantge and takes away the earned advantge from the 2 teams that has worked the hardest all year... So you must understand why people are upset. This is important to them.
BQ can reslove this very easily. Make the SQBL A grade GF on the same day of the Majors GF in the C grade timeslot. That decision will hurt no-one...
I dont think this forum should be used to attack anyone. But I do think that BQ should know and understand that their decisions do have an impact on people. And when people are emotional maybe they come across the wrong way.
Lets hope common sense prevails...
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lyn
Tee Baller
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Minors
Feb 22, 2010 13:12:35 GMT 10
Post by lyn on Feb 22, 2010 13:12:35 GMT 10
Thanks Homer
Just one other comment - here are the relevant by laws
3.53 Semi-finals, preliminary finals and Grand Finals shall be played as determined by BQ and notified in the Fixture Schedule, or elsewhere
3.57 BQ will determine an appropriate format for the finals series.
Note it doesn't say a preliminary final will definitely be played - its as determined. No one I know wants an unsatisfactory situation but again decisions have to be made
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dj
Little Leaguer
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Minors
Feb 22, 2010 13:25:23 GMT 10
Post by dj on Feb 22, 2010 13:25:23 GMT 10
yes the decision has been made. right or wrong doesn't really matter. what dose matter is the games ability to grow in numbers and size. most of the frustration doesn't only come from this decision but the inability for BQ to really care for the game. we are not arguing a umpires call here, we are venting frustration to wards BQ for that inability. this is a great game all that is on this site will agree, we all want to see the game grow, this is not how it is done. baseball is already one of the most expensive sport to play with its registration fees, and uniforms, you can't kept doing this to players because you will have none left, except the top tier which will dwindle cause they can only stay there if there is numbers under them. like is said how long will it take for baseball in Queensland to die if we kept doing this to the players.
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Minors
Feb 22, 2010 13:34:58 GMT 10
Post by justme on Feb 22, 2010 13:34:58 GMT 10
Oh Lyn...Note it doesn't say a preliminary final will definitely be played - its as determined. No one I know wants an unsatisfactory situation but again decisions have to be made This is funny... It doesn't "definitely" say we have to have a grand final either...lol... Although a precedent has been set over many years of semi final, preliminary final and grand final. That cannot be denied... This same format is used in every competition from Major A's down to juniors. It "is" an unsatisfactory result to only enforce these unjust changes on SQBL A grade. Also this decision does not have to be made. No critical outcome is hinged on this decision. Only if it is enforced teams positioned 4 and 5 get an "unjust" advantage... So eliminate all arguement and restore the finals format to be the same as all other senior baseball competitions across all of Australia... This is the only satisfactory outcome...
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Minors
Feb 22, 2010 13:53:09 GMT 10
Post by pope on Feb 22, 2010 13:53:09 GMT 10
C'mon everyone - is this just a slag session at BQ. Lyn welcome to the forum! Yes at times it does become a slag session, usually only by a handful of people with numerous different logins doing the slagging. This way it looks like a lot of people agree with them! Maybe if they actually got involved in their club committees or BQ admin, they might be taken seriously. Instead they just bag those that do the work that they wont, while hiding behind their pseudonyms. As they say, you can't please all the people all the time.
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Minors
Feb 22, 2010 13:57:46 GMT 10
Post by pope on Feb 22, 2010 13:57:46 GMT 10
Oh Lyn...This is the only satisfactory outcome... .....to you Their are others that are happy with the way it is now. As I said, You can't please all the people all the time
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dj
Little Leaguer
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Minors
Feb 22, 2010 14:29:42 GMT 10
Post by dj on Feb 22, 2010 14:29:42 GMT 10
pope, yes people are happy, yes only a hand full of people, yes properly same people under different login names, but still there is a problem. slagging match maybe but dose this take away the issue at hand no. i ask is there unhappy people to that i answer yes. is baseball in Queensland as strong as it was in the 90's i say no. i now ask the pope when will it be the right time for BQ to change there way, is it when our game dies. this one decision as bad as it is, isn't the only issue with baseball in Queensland, for all the years i can remember if you weren't in the top tier then bo who for you, you got the raw end of the stick number are dwindled its time to take action now and stop ripping people off. people plans thing month out around final times especially us players to be told oh well we are BQ that is all that matter is wrong.
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Minors
Feb 22, 2010 15:02:02 GMT 10
Post by justme on Feb 22, 2010 15:02:02 GMT 10
Pope / Lyn
I think this is being taken out of perspective and off topic.
Firstly if you check back you will find that all that have commented on this topic have not commented before or are new to the forum.
Pope this does not mean they are all the same person under different login. I'm sure this does happen but I don't think this is the case here. Maybe you have the means to confirm this by identifying the many different IP addresses. To cast this dispersion is unfair...
These are people who are directly affected by this unjust decision. Yes they speak with emotion because of the frustration generated by working hard for something all season and having the rules changed at the 11th hour that deny them the advantage they have earned and award a new advantage to teams who have not earned the right.
The common message from all who have posted is that this is unjust or unfair. All that is wanted is a fair competition. What has been decided is just not fair...
Pope you say that there are others that are happy with the decision. This is true... I would be happy too if BQ changed the rules that gave my team a clear advantage that we did not deserve....
Sorry guys BQ has a chance to do the right thing here. It is their responsibility as the custodians of our game to do what is right and just.
This decision is not in the spirit of the game...
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