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Post by BQ Moderator on Dec 18, 2008 13:26:33 GMT 10
Here is a chance to have your say. Vote for what you think is the ideal amount of GBL Major teams to create a strong competition. You can select 2 choices.
Feel free to post your comments on why you think a certain number or just cast your vote anonymously.
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Post by stealth on Dec 18, 2008 19:56:04 GMT 10
Have a realistic look at the level of ability of some current A Grade players. If the number of teams is not reduced, the sport will loose high quality players. Combine some of the A grade teams to form 8 teams, this will still allow a pathway for players from any club to play in the A grade Competition. It will also get rid of the current A Grade draw, which is pathetic.
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Dec 19, 2008 14:22:40 GMT 10
I feel perhaps 10 teams. I don't care about the quality, just tougher ML criteria to help develop our junior numbers
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Post by garrytee on Dec 19, 2008 18:19:08 GMT 10
I'm more in Juniors but looking at the Seniors, I see you have 13 teams. It would seem to me a stronger game would be an even number with 10 or 12 teams.
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Post by 17starter on Dec 24, 2008 17:38:18 GMT 10
Totally disagree with stealth. Drop c grade and play B over 9 inn and see what happens. To many b grade guys are asked to help out the c team then play b and are stuffed by A. IF b grade was stronger the standard would lift and more b's could sit on A bench and get A experience then the problem goes away. You say we will lose players , lose them where? Cricket? The best players will stay and the rest will play in a strong b grade...
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Post by 44 on Dec 24, 2008 19:07:42 GMT 10
So A+B Only Sunday Majors comp? Maybe then 4 Div1 Grades. Sounds reasonable. What about the morning game before A+B... U23 Colts maybe? The best young U20 players are already playing in A+B. Regardless of the Majors final makeup and numbers, Some Clubs need to get more active in developing their Junior numbers otherwise where are all these talented players for Majors coming from in the future  I don't see why a club should be invited to play Majors if they are doing very little to develop Juniors. Playing Majors is not a right but a privilege that Clubs should earn by criteria. I don't think 8 Majors is the way to go next year at all. I would say 10 maybe or possibly 12 MAX... 13 teams is a bust with the Bye and scrap the North /South conference. |
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Post by 17starter on Dec 25, 2008 10:33:29 GMT 10
Don't need a morning game, who wants to open a canteen at 8am on a sunday morning and stay till 5pm. U 23 colts are a token team get rid of them, just sucking up resources..U20s are thinning out A grade ranks hence no C = stronger B then more guys avail for A . Year after year clubs start with enough players then one by one the non committed drop off. Baseball is not a cheap sport and takes up a lot of time for parents of juniors. Clubs in poor areas will always struggle for numbers and quality committies , why punish seniors and say your out of majors, I say seperate them. Majors should be a stand alone comp, 2 grades for next 3 years then review. My dad took me to watch him play for all stars in mid 70s, i have played 800 to 900 A grade games. I make these comments based on my experiences
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Post by 44 on Dec 25, 2008 11:52:58 GMT 10
I like the idea of just A+B Majors.. but how many teams 17starter ? My only Issue is where are all the Juniors coming from if a Club is allowed Majors but does diddly squat to recruit and train Juniors You can tell the many GBL clubs that do a great job with Juniors.. Why should they just be a "Farm" team for another Club? Gold Coast is a hot bed of Junior development and I could see 3 Majors Clubs from that region soon. Stand alone Comp is OK if teams are Corporate backed for the A's like the Industrial League played pre-season. But there is NO WAY a club should be playing Majors if they do nothing for Juniors... The sport will just die if that is ever allowed to happen. How about this scenario: MAJORS A+B Only with still the Friday Night Major A Game. Div1 Seniors is still only A,B,C . Most Clubs do not have the full 6 Teams anyway so no need for 6 Grades anymore.. I agree. Scrap the 20's and go back to U18's to be inline with the AAA State selection. 16's and 14's stay as is with Div1 and Div2 comps. |
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Dec 25, 2008 18:01:38 GMT 10
You can't scrap 20's.. even the larger clubs like Pine Hills and Padres struggle to get U18 players. It's the hardest age group because of kids in their final years of school or first years of uni/work. As for AAA selection, well, that's what U18 state titles are for, plus, by U18's, 95% of the state squad is already picked.
Not sure if you should kill sixth division either, remember that despite it not being pretty in either division, there is actually quite a gap in skill between Minor C and Minor B players and Minor B teams like Logan, Southern Stars, and Eagles are their clubs top teams and would flog teams in Minor C.
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Post by snoball on Dec 25, 2008 18:41:30 GMT 10
starter17 -- 800-900 A grade games....wow....figure roughly 40 A grade games/year.....20 years in A grade will net you about 800 games.....900 A grade games is a pretty mean feat.....congrats....
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Post by pope on Dec 25, 2008 19:09:41 GMT 10
I think some people have missed the big picture of baseball in QLD.
We should be growing our sport.
That means increasing the number of teams/divisions, not getting rid of the lower grades. While I agree in compacting the top end of the pyramid, getting rid of the lower/younger grades is dangerous. Not everyone can play A grade and my B grade days are long gone. But I still enjoy playing, so C grade is my summer option (and I can still give my (expert) tips to the younger guys!!!!).
Also C grade gives people in there early 20's who have not played baseball before an easier entry to our great game, rather than trying to play B grade to start with.
So my opinion - compact the top end, but expand the base!
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Post by Sideliner on Dec 25, 2008 19:26:16 GMT 10
This is a subject sure to get the adrenalin going out there. Over the years we have had a number of different formats, some have been okay but others well not so good. It will be hard to get the correct format that makes everyone happy but I believe there has to be a criteria to ensure the sport grows otherwise clubs won't go out and develop their junior teams because lets face it, it is bloody hard work. I like the idea of an A & B squad with the rest of the players put into divisions of say eight teams per division. Does it really matter if we end up going down to Div 10. Also I think 8 or 10 team comp in A & B is ideal. But how to arrive at that number therein lies the problem.
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Post by 17starter on Dec 25, 2008 20:25:05 GMT 10
starter17 -- 800-900 A grade games....wow....figure roughly 40 A grade games/year.....20 years in A grade will net you about 800 games.....900 A grade games is a pretty mean feat.....congrats.... Your calculations are pretty close, have played up to 60 per year at times ,including tournments ,visiting overseas teams, allstar games,pre season ,japanese RBA etc. Been playing 22 years. |
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Post by 17starter on Dec 25, 2008 20:47:50 GMT 10
I like the idea of just A+B Majors.. but how many teams 17starter ? My only Issue is where are all the Juniors coming from if a Club is allowed Majors but does diddly squat to recruit and train Juniors You can tell the many GBL clubs that do a great job with Juniors.. Why should they just be a "Farm" team for another Club? Gold Coast is a hot bed of Junior development and I could see 3 Majors Clubs from that region soon. Stand alone Comp is OK if teams are Corporate backed for the A's like the Industrial League played pre-season. But there is NO WAY a club should be playing Majors if they do nothing for Juniors... The sport will just die if that is ever allowed to happen. How about this scenario: MAJORS A+B Only with still the Friday Night Major A Game. Div1 Seniors is still only A,B,C . Most Clubs do not have the full 6 Teams anyway so no need for 6 Grades anymore.. I agree. Scrap the 20's and go back to U18's to be inline with the AAA State selection. 16's and 14's stay as is with Div1 and Div2 comps. I will be honest, i don't know much about anything below A or B grade. I coached juniors for 4 years and a very small minority of parents sticking their nose in drove me away, so i started my own private school for juniors ,I am no expert in junior affairs. My area is A and B ,thats it . I would like 12 to 14 teams. All senior players i have spoken to want Toowoomba back in the comp..The Toowoomba trip is the highlight of the season. It is without doubt a team bonding and team building weekend.Great to see more members joining. Tell your teammates to join up, different views and discussions will help us all.. |
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Dec 25, 2008 21:26:11 GMT 10
Well I can tell you that it's not much fun for C-Graders traveling to Toowoomba for a 8:00 start. Gold Coast teams and Northside teams, especially the players from north of New South Wales and the Sunshine Coast are looking at a three hour trip. You do the math..
The general consensus seems to be though that stricter Major League criteria needs to be applied otherwise the competition will die in the long term. Rangers are without an U20 and an U16 team I believe. They just need to take some initiative like other clubs and recruit players.
They were in the Majors a few years ago, what's stopping them from pushing for those two teams and putting them back in there? I hear there is a good chance Carina are going to be back in the Majors next year, so maybe BQ will offer some sort of exemption. However, I still think that Toowoomba should be getting back into the Majors on their own terms.
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