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Post by 44 on Apr 4, 2009 15:03:22 GMT 10
C-Grade is going to be an optional division, you either field your 3rd team in C's or what used to be div a's Let's make the old "C Grade" even more exciting. There are 23 Clubs in South East QLD I believe. Give all of them the Option to play in the C Grade ( Let's call it SE QLD Cup maybe. ) So The bigger Clubs may option to send their C Team or smaller clubs not in Majors or Pacific League can send their A Team. BUT, each club nominating for the SE QLD Cup pays say $400 into a BQ Pool. ( If 23 apply. That's $9,200 ) Then we get expressions of Interest from SE Qld Business to Kick in maybe a few $1,000 more for the naming rights and get total Prize pool upto maybe $12,000 Winning Club gets $5,000 , 2nd gets $3,500 , 3rd gets $2,500 and 4th gets $1,000. Maybe even split it for Top 6 or Top 8 and help more clubs. On the written proviso though that all that prize money goes back into their own Club Juniors recruitment and development, or at least 75% of it. In Addition, the Winner of the SE QLD Cup ( or XYZ Cup) can be Promoted to the empty 8th spot in Pacific League the following season as long as: A: They are not already a Majors or Pacific league Club and B: They can field 3 Senior Teams in their promoted season. Some may say.. why all this money for C Grade ?? Well at the same time, 8th Spot Majors team and 1st spot Pacific team should be relegated/promoted the next season ( assuming all Juniors Criteria met by the promoted Pacific Club ), bottom Pacific League team goes back to Cup and Div1 league next season, any Club just stacking their C Grade will get found out quickly. Clubs in Majors and Pacific Leagues at season start have to nominate a Core group of players that are ineligible for Cup or Div1 Leagues. It is also a way to get a new club into the 2 tier 16 Team Majors/Pacific League system.
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Apr 5, 2009 2:45:01 GMT 10
I think it's a great idea, but clubs will be stacking their C-Grade team as subtle as they can with that much money on the line. I don't think minor teams such as Mt Gravatt, Southern Stars, Logan or indeed any of the minor GC teams are up to scratch with some C-Grade teams though.
What are the chances of getting the other 5 minor league clubs from the Gold Coast playing in the Brisbane comp against the 3 minor league clubs from Brisbane? Then you could create a minor club comp/cup with the remainder of Minor B and C combining. So your competition (assuming senior numbers will stay the same) would look like:
Major/Pacific League A (15) Major/Pacific League B (15) C-Grade (8) Minor A (10) Minor B (7) Minor Clubs (8)
C-Grade would probably look like: Pine Hills Wests Windsor Padres Beenleigh Surfers Redlands Mudgee
Minor A's would likely to be: Windsor Musketeers Rapids Narangba Indians All Stars Carina Padres Redlands Toowoomba
Minor B would be where it would get tricky with Redlands and Padres doubling up: Redlands x2 Padres x2 Pine Hills Windsor Narangba
Minor Club Cup: Mt Gravatt Nerang Tallebudgera Coomera Robina Runaway Bay Logan Southern Stars
Some of the GC clubs have potential for fielding a few teams as well as Logan for two
Alternatively, you could keep your 3 division minor league comp and make the Minor Club Cup a knockout cup competition played every second week after Christmas or what not and have a similar prize money format (maybe not as much) set up as to help these clubs develop into Major League clubs.
However, Minor B & C would only be 6 team comps (if all those teams field again) if we were to keep the same minors format.
Just putting some sketchy ideas out there
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Post by pope on Apr 5, 2009 6:38:58 GMT 10
Wow, JRA haven't you been busy! . What are the chances of getting the other 5 minor league clubs from the Gold Coast playing in the Brisbane comp against the 3 minor league clubs from Brisbane? I think the concept has merit and should be pursued, but this could be a hard sell to GCBA. While the GCBA summer comp is more social, they had 12 teams this year, with 2 clubs having 3 teams, which you want to cut to 5 teams - 1 per club. An option would be to add some of the GCBA teams into the Minors.
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Post by 44 on Apr 5, 2009 13:11:05 GMT 10
You could well be right JR.
maybe the Old major c grade standard is not suitable for all 23 clubs.
But it would be great to see maybe a Div1 league that all 23 Clubs could compete at like pope said.
I don't think travel is as much an issue with petrol prices better now and it would be fantastic and very social to be able to play teams from Bris North to Gold Coast and mix with players from all clubs socially. Possible it needs to be the 4th Team from the majors that competes in Cup League.
There should be 1 league at least that has a fair and open Option for all clubs to submit teams.
The 8Majors/7Pacific 15 team concept is a fantastic move forward.
Just a question now of the best structure now for the lower grades and divisions.
There needs to be a mechanism in place to allow a new club to strive for majors/pacific inclusion to make an even 8/8.
I see 3 teams from both Robina and Coomera in the GCBA Seniors.
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Apr 5, 2009 13:34:10 GMT 10
Just a quick question, as I've never seen them play, what are the skill levels of the GC minor clubs?
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Post by 17starter on Apr 5, 2009 13:39:13 GMT 10
Where would i find the draw..
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Post by 44 on Apr 5, 2009 13:44:26 GMT 10
Where would i find the draw.. A draw has been emailed to all Club Secretaries so far. Best to contact your committee first. It may not be the final one so I wont post it on the forum unless BQ does first. PM me if you want to know the Mudgy draw 17, but it may not be the official release version at season start until BQ publish it.
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Post by pope on Apr 5, 2009 20:14:37 GMT 10
Just a quick question, as I've never seen them play, what are the skill levels of the GC minor clubs? Varied. In the summer seniors there are 3 distinct levels, ranging from a couple of teams made up of inexperienced new players, teams having a little fun before the serious GCBA winter comp, and those out to win the title. While the better players are obviously in the 2 GBL teams, the other 5 clubs would be competitive in the minors.
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Post by pope on Apr 5, 2009 20:27:57 GMT 10
But it would be great to see maybe a Div1 league that all 23 Clubs could compete at like pope said. I don't think travel is as much an issue with petrol prices better now and it would be fantastic and very social to be able to play teams from Bris North to Gold Coast and mix with players from all clubs socially. Possible it needs to be the 4th Team from the majors that competes in Cup League. There should be 1 league at least that has a fair and open Option for all clubs to submit teams. This is so simple it just might work. At the cup league level, while you want to be competitive, the after match social activities are just as important! The more the merrier. The drive shouldn't be an issue. I'd drive all the way to Padres to a swing a bat, and then have a drink and a yarn, might even buy one for JRA Qld2 (a coke of course...) The question would be, would BQ revamp the lower grades this year as well as the top level, would the regions go for it and the clubs support it as well?
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Post by BQ Moderator on Apr 5, 2009 21:48:46 GMT 10
Any option should be considered if it can expand and promote baseball in QLD across all senior and junior divisions.
It seems that most people on this forum are baseball lovers from QLD and only want the best for the sport in this State, the more ideas the better.
Please keep these great ideas coming.
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Apr 5, 2009 22:11:47 GMT 10
I'd drive all the way to Padres to a swing a bat, and then have a drink and a yarn, might even buy one for JRA Qld2 (a coke of course...) Hold you to it pope
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Post by bokasaaya on Jun 22, 2009 11:11:28 GMT 10
I would say that a 12 team competition would be enough.
The other problem would be washouts. You have games going over three days. Most fields have lights, why not play catch up games on Saturday and Sunday nights? 7 games (C grade) were washouts last season. Not sure about the year before?
There is no reason why games can not be caught up on nights. FNC plays games on Friday and Saturday night starting at 6:30 and the second game at 8:30.
I agree with JRA Qld2 about 8:00 games at Toowoomba, no offence guys, but you guys want to be in the competition I beleive you you should be either starting the games later. There were some games played in temps under 20 degrees celsius last year. In Majors you are going to get serious injuries with the speed of the game. As for Toowoomba being the highlight of the year. I think most C graders will tell you they would rather forfeit then travel that early. In fact I think a few teams did forfeit there games to Toowoomba last season.
This would be rectified if there were later game times.
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Post by snoochies on Jun 22, 2009 12:33:18 GMT 10
quote" The other problem would be washouts. You have games going over three days. Most fields have lights, why not play catch up games on Saturday and Sunday nights? "quote
Because people have a life.
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Post by bokasaaya on Jun 22, 2009 16:05:44 GMT 10
Right...so major league players have no life?
We all pay fees and we all expect a full season of baseball. I don't hear of any majors games being forfeited. After talking to a lot of players last year, most of them wished to see catch-up games and double-headers being considered in being able to get a full season in.
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Post by T on Jun 22, 2009 21:12:04 GMT 10
I don't hear of any majors games being forfeited. ...so you haven't been privy to the several debacles from last season? (mostly played out on these boards)
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