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Post by BQ Moderator on Jan 28, 2009 16:40:47 GMT 10
Now that the forum has 50 members, I thought it time to bump this Poll again.
It appears that a good cross section of the BQ baseball community is already logging on so far after only a couple of months, so if you have not already, have your vote on the Poll.
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Post by a rod on Jan 28, 2009 16:41:43 GMT 10
rapids promblem is fro as long a can remeber they didnt focus on juniors only seniors some with allstars and the likes of windsor thats why those three clubs have trouble. to keep aclub strong you need to focus on your juniors not u18 or 16's your u 14's and below that makes the club remain strong and by the time those kids are playing higher grades such as a grade or u 20's they want to develop the younger players.
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Post by 44 on Jan 28, 2009 21:14:20 GMT 10
jacob. In all due respect, I don't think you can single out certain baseball clubs.
I am not in the Windsor Club but have many friends there, That club has also done many great things for baseball in QLD for a long time.
You need to have another look as Windsor are still very much a force in most Juniors age groups and recruitment levels.
Your very own Padres Club has made a huge mistake in having 1 x U16 Div1 team and 2 X U16 Div2 teams.
It should have been 2 X U16 Div1 Teams and 1 X U16 div2 team. That is my personal opinion and i'll back it 100%.
I'll go as far as to say that is a very strong reason why the RAMS U16 team was so under performed.. The U16 div1 Comp is too one sided and not good for the next development level.
I've been in baseball for over 36 years years now I don't think i've ever seen a volunteer baseball committee at any club that did not care about the sport.
There are many factors in Clubs development, Location, demographics , Strong committee and volunteer network or weak and for sure possible lack of foresight from time to time from all clubs.
I have great respect for the Padres club and I also am involved with Rugby League in North West Brisbane. Redcliffe in both sports has made in the shade demographics, but yes they also have a very hard working and dedicated volunteer network.
There are many clubs in Brisbane with not so lucky a vast demographic catchment area but their committee's work just as hard for developing baseball.
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Post by bronco on Jan 29, 2009 8:53:54 GMT 10
ramsfan44 please explain your reasons why you think Padres should have 2 x Div 1 u16 teams & why you think thats why the rams under performed. I can't see how having a "weaker" competition helps develop talent. The reason we have divisions is so teams play in the appropriate grades. There were at least 2 teams from Div 1 that should have been division 2. If these teams drop to div 2 then both comps are stronger.
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Post by a rod on Jan 29, 2009 15:33:24 GMT 10
sorry ramsfan44 you are right they have done alot for qld baseball that is for sure, i didnt no that we had two in div2 but they must have areason why some where, why do you think the rams under performed?
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Post by stimmo88 on Jan 29, 2009 18:14:49 GMT 10
id have to say 10 or 12 teams with 6 north and 6 south.
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Post by puff on Jan 31, 2009 9:11:42 GMT 10
8 teams in division 1 and 8 teams in division 2 with a promotion/relegation system in place.
If you kick 2 or even 4 teams out of the top level where are they expected to play? Those clubs would eventually fold which is not good for baseball.
The league needs to be restructured to help every club survive. Have a strong Division 1 comp with stricter criteria and also have a 2nd tier comp with less criteria which may suit the clubs that are struggling at the moment.
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Post by 44 on Jan 31, 2009 17:05:03 GMT 10
ramsfan44 please explain your reasons why you think Padres should have 2 x Div 1 u16 teams & why you think thts why the rams under performed. I can't see how having a "weaker" competition helps develop talent. The reason we have divisions is so teams play in the appropriate grades. There were at least 2 teams from Div 1 that should have been division 2. If these teams drop to div 2 then both comps are stronger. bronco, I see the Junior baseball development structure like a pyramid: Large base with strong U8 +U10 recruitment, well defined middle with coaching and development and a very strong sharp pinnacle. That Pinnacle should be U20 and Seniors, not U16's. Padres club has nothing but admiration from me, they have an exceptional junior recruitment and development program in place and for the future.., That's all good. I do not agree with a club having 3 teams in one age group and not making every effort to get 2 of those teams into Div1 however for U14 and U16. Yes, of course there are teams in div1 that should be and better off playing Div2. By the same token if a club has the numbers and talent they should strive for as many div1 teams in an U14 and U16 age group as possible. U16 RAMS ?? Not involved myself and I'm sure the coaches did their best. But I believe having that one dominant Padres team and not exposing all teams in the U16.1 league to more adversity week in and week out was not helpful to the U16 RAMS overall strength. IMO. RF44
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Post by stimmo88 on Feb 20, 2009 13:49:30 GMT 10
just a quick question.... come finals time in the 1st week is it south v south and north v north or is it possible that the wild cards cross to play the other 2nd place finisher
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bwc
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Post by bwc on Feb 26, 2009 12:31:24 GMT 10
maybe it wasn't the players under performing at the u/16 nationals? could have been the fact that the other states were stronger? maybe the coach's under performed? there are so many factors that we dont know about unless we were involved with the whole process. Kids have bad days and sometimes slump at the wrong time just like all of us. Hopefully they learned alot and become stronger next year and years to come.
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homer
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Post by homer on Mar 26, 2009 13:30:15 GMT 10
I notice that there has been alot of talk in another topic about numbers and the ideal competition. Well here goes.
How about 15 teams (13 + Rangers and Carina) play each other once on a Friday and then Sunday. Have to start early to fit it in (no pre-season). From this, the top 8 play in the ABC League and the next 7 play in the XYZ league. If you are in the top 8, but don't make the criteria for juniors and seniors then you move down to the 7 and one of them comes up if they have the numbers.
A and B grade only, but you must have at least a 3rd team in the minors, or how about a Masters comp. This will boost the Minors comp too. They will join Eagles, Logan and Sthn Stars in 2 or 3 divisions.
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Post by 44 on Mar 26, 2009 13:52:32 GMT 10
I notice that there has been alot of talk in another topic about numbers and the ideal competition. Well here goes. How about 15 teams (13 + Rangers and Carina) play each other once on a Friday and then Sunday. Have to start early to fit it in (no pre-season). From this, the top 8 play in the ABC League and the next 7 play in the XYZ league. If you are in the top 8, but don't make the criteria for juniors and seniors then you move down to the 7 and one of them comes up if they have the numbers. A and B grade only, but you must have at least a 3rd team in the minors, or how about a Masters comp. This will boost the Minors comp too. They will join Eagles, Logan and Sthn Stars in 2 or 3 divisions. I think Homer just hit it out of the park... I like it..... A lot. No more B^tching and moaning to BQ, get your club up to Criteria standard and a good Major A team and you are in. Once we get to the top 8 for 2nd half of season, can we include Junior Superleague U14 or U16 games or LL Major games in the 9AM slot please ?
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Post by puff on Mar 26, 2009 16:02:43 GMT 10
I notice that there has been alot of talk in another topic about numbers and the ideal competition. Well here goes. How about 15 teams (13 + Rangers and Carina) play each other once on a Friday and then Sunday. Have to start early to fit it in (no pre-season). From this, the top 8 play in the ABC League and the next 7 play in the XYZ league. If you are in the top 8, but don't make the criteria for juniors and seniors then you move down to the 7 and one of them comes up if they have the numbers. A and B grade only, but you must have at least a 3rd team in the minors, or how about a Masters comp. This will boost the Minors comp too. They will join Eagles, Logan and Sthn Stars in 2 or 3 divisions. I think Homer just hit it out of the park... I like it..... A lot. No more B^tching and moaning to BQ, get your club up to Criteria standard and a good Major A team and you are in. Once we get to the top 8 for 2nd half of season, can we include Junior Superleague U14 or U16 games or LL Major games in the 9AM slot please ? Realistically Toowoomba and Carina won't make top 8 and the rest of the teams just finished a 32 game season to sort themselves out. Why not go straight to the 2 divisions from the start of next season. Toowoomba or Carina need to prove themselves at that level before taking on the top level teams.
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Post by 44 on Mar 26, 2009 16:13:06 GMT 10
I will have a small wager with you to say those Clubs will not finish 14 and 15 either in the 15 Team comp puff. I Had a PH dad say to me a few years back, why are we trialling these kids, we already know who the good players are from last year. YEAH..... Right ................
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Post by bronco on Mar 26, 2009 16:17:22 GMT 10
Why are Carina being considered for Majors. At least Toowoomba won all 3 division grades and have earnt the right to be considered for promotion.
I like the idea of a 2 level majors comp. I also would like to see some of the Major Clubs bite the bullet and accept that they are not up to the top standard. All Stars, Wests and Narangba are 3 clubs that come to mind, not many wins between them in Major A over the last 2 seasons.
B & C grade follow. Juniors competitions remain the same.
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