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Post by wilderness on Jan 11, 2010 21:03:18 GMT 10
Sending 2 teams --- it's a great idea. There are a lot of benefits coming from sending a developmental team with bottom age players, that will be top age players next year.
Another thing that can be looked at ... the Territories take players from all states to make up their numbers, maybe there should be some system for putting some Qld players on the roster for this team too.
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Post by wilderness on Jan 11, 2010 21:08:06 GMT 10
One last word on umpiring --- I make a point of coaching teams with my young children in them. Every time I approach an umpire, I'm aware that my children are watching and I'm not about to do anything that would make them be ashamed of me. I have a feeling that lots of umpires have family watching them too and it would be a pity if players would do things that made the umpire's families feel uncomfortable.
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Post by snoball on Jan 11, 2010 21:42:44 GMT 10
Wilderness -- good points.
Qld has been sending players to the Territories teams. Isn't young Jake Price from Rapids and a Qld shadow? Or do I have the wrong Price?
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Post by wildpitch23 on Jan 11, 2010 22:25:03 GMT 10
Snoball, you are correct. Not only is Jake Price playing in the Territories side but I believe that he hit the winning run against Qld today. Do you think it is a good idea to send a second team, as we used to, when the single teams that we send seem to be struggling at present?
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Post by williemays_hays on Jan 12, 2010 11:08:10 GMT 10
I think in the Under 14's we should definately have 2 teams - perhaps as Victoria do, one State Team and one development team of first year kids. In the 16's and 18's only one team though. And the U14 team has a specialist pitching coach don't they? Isn't this the person who should be teaching them how to pitch? Which encompasses baulks and pick-offs as well, not just throwing the ball over the middle of the plate.
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Post by ramsrus on Jan 12, 2010 16:24:03 GMT 10
I think in the Under 14's we should definately have 2 teams - perhaps as Victoria do, one State Team and one development team of first year kids. In the 16's and 18's only one team though. And the U14 team has a specialist pitching coach don't they? Isn't this the person who should be teaching them how to pitch? Which encompasses baulks and pick-offs as well, not just throwing the ball over the middle of the plate. I think having 2 teams of 14s and 16s will work, but not 18s as the league needs U20s to be viable. All the teams have specialist pitching coaches. I don't think it's a fair statement with regard to the pitching coach. Teaching pitching happens mostly at the club level, not in preparation for the titles. As other posters have said, blks are not understood very well at all so teaching a child not to blk can't be easy. As far as Pick Offs go, adults struggle to pick off accurately. I have watched junior baseball for 15 years and I have yet to see a 12 or 13 year old follow instructions to the letter even when they are told and shown a number of times. In a lot of instances, the coach gets an "I know" response from the players to instructions, but knowing and doing are two different things. Some coaches get through to players better than others, but no coach I have seen has got through to every player. There are also parents and other coaches involved giving players the "how to" advice which may be in direct conflict with what the pitching coach is telling them.
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Post by snoball on Jan 12, 2010 16:49:56 GMT 10
ramsrus -- You're spot on here. After watching the Qld teams over 3 decades, I agree that the coaches do an excellent job. Also -- most of the technique coaching needs to be done at the club level. Rams coaches shouldn't have to go over things that should have been covered at the club level.
I differ with you on the 18's, tho -- I'd like to see two teams. The Senior comp will just have to make do while they're unavailable. I'd like to see more kids given the chance to succeed. You never know.
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Post by 44 on Jan 12, 2010 17:20:25 GMT 10
ramsrus -- You're spot on here. After watching the Qld teams over 3 decades, I agree that the coaches do an excellent job. Also -- most of the technique coaching needs to be done at the club level. Rams coaches shouldn't have to go over things that should have been covered at the club level. I differ with you on the 18's, tho -- I'd like to see two teams. The Senior comp will just have to make do while they're unavailable. I'd like to see more kids given the chance to succeed. You never know. I strongly agree with ramsrus and snoball. 14's and 16's should be 2 teams each. the Prime select team in each age group and the development team. I'd even expand that to state titles. With Sunshine Coast defunct and now 7 Regions for Junior Titles, why not make an 8th "Commissioners" team of kids who just missed selection in their various regions. Let's be more inclusive and less exclusive as the program seems to be now. 18's i'm sitting on the fence.
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Post by wilderness on Jan 12, 2010 19:52:22 GMT 10
I've looked through all the U-14 results for Territories and I can't find a Price anywhere ... is he really in the U-14 Territories side? Now I'm kind of curious ... how do players know when the Territories are scouting for players?
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Post by snoball on Jan 12, 2010 20:36:55 GMT 10
Jake Price, Pine Rivers, is playing for Territories U18.
If the Territories need players, they contact the associations from the other states.
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Post by eggsovereasy on Jan 13, 2010 9:04:00 GMT 10
National titles is and should not be used as a training ground for players this should be done at the state level only or if we have the talent around send these whom miss out on the state side to the regional titles. VIC have 2 teams because they have the junior numbers available to be competitive at the national level. our qld junior leagues are not that strong at present, from the 16s upwards we tend to lose alot of players and talent, so until we keep those we should stick to the one side at least in the 16s and 18s.
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Post by oldmate on Jan 13, 2010 15:54:24 GMT 10
Why would we send 2 U14 teams to the National Championships. The 1 team we sent this year has won 1 game. Not including what happened today as I havent heard the result.
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Post by oldmate on Jan 13, 2010 15:56:07 GMT 10
The Vic white team is not a development team. The blue team is the best 16 players in Victoria and the white team is the next best 16 players
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Post by snoball on Jan 13, 2010 16:10:27 GMT 10
From looking at Juniors for a while now, I don't think there's a lot of difference in ability between our "top 16" and the next 16. In some cases, especially with controversial selections, this would be an excellent opportunity to give other players a chance to succeed.
Our current teams are comprised of some very talented players. But, I believe we have more who could fill in as well. Let's give them the chance.
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Post by ramsrus on Jan 13, 2010 18:32:35 GMT 10
Why would we send 2 U14 teams to the National Championships. The 1 team we sent this year has won 1 game. Not including what happened today as I havent heard the result. We can't win until we improve the way we develop our juniors. We need to give opportunity to more players and develop a bigger group of competant players. The VICs blue team is made of the best players in the opinion of the current coaches and selectors. I don't agree with the blanket statement that they are the best players. There are always players on the fringes that could do just as good a job given the opportunity. I think they are mostly the older players and are therefore stronger and more experienced. ???I don't understand why anyone would be against having more players play at a higher level win or lose and I agree that in both U14s and U16s we have players who can compete given the opportunity. The best experience and practice comes from testing yourself against better opposition. We aren't winning, so maybe we need to change what we are doing?
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