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Post by 44 on Dec 15, 2009 19:31:18 GMT 10
They don't usually decide until right before the game from what it sounds in interviews with all the coaches, but surely you'd be expecting Bevis or maybe Timms? I don't know if Crawford or Lamb can last the distance I don't think PJ or Matt should be SP3. Both great pitchers but relief or Closer mentality.. Just ask them. ;D SP's are a different breed to Closers. Maybe AJ has it right ? can we bring up a new SP from the Local ranks,?
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Post by bronco on Dec 15, 2009 20:29:48 GMT 10
If its time to reward a club pitcher then I think Brian Debert from Padres has earned a recall to the Rams.
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Post by 44 on Dec 15, 2009 20:56:04 GMT 10
If its time to reward a club pitcher then I think Brian Debert from Padres has earned a recall to the Rams. Seen him Pitch and I'd say ... why not.
I have a late email today on the VIC team coming up: Adam Blackley and Russ Spears 2 of their SP's Matt Lawman and Josh Davies batting well but making many errors at F6 and F5....
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Dec 15, 2009 22:12:13 GMT 10
SP's are a different breed to Closers. Maybe AJ has it right ? can we bring up a new SP from the Local ranks,? I can see what you mean. Perhaps I was clutching at straws? Debert would certainly be a name to put up there.
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Post by babe on Dec 15, 2009 23:55:00 GMT 10
But, I'd hate to see baseball here turn into soccer with fans chanting and singing throughout the game. I go to a game to watch it -- not to participate so much that my voice is hoarse at the end. Theriv, you know baseball isn't paving the way in the sports world as much as we all like to think it's the centre of the universe. You may not like cheering but unfortunately for you, you would be in a minority...why are the Broncos successful or the Lions? The audience likes to participate and they do it by cheering!!Spend 5 minutes with a sports psychologist and you would understand the power of the home crowd fans cheering. Do not under estimate this. Don't try and do it your way. As with any business, see what is tried and true and use it.
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Post by T on Dec 16, 2009 2:58:41 GMT 10
babe, I think you're missing the point. I very much doubt theriv would like to watch sport in complete silence, I could be wrong though.
Remember this? Shot from the crowd, this was John Aloisi's penalty which put Australia in the 2006 World Cup.
See all those people standing up? Along with about 10,000 people down that end, I was in there somewhere. From arriving about an hour before kickoff, to waving those enormous flags, to drowning out the Uruguayan anthem and 80,000 people belting out something that vaguely resembled Australia's, 90 minutes of normal time, 30 minutes of extra time and the penalty shoot-out.
Through all of that, not one person took their seat.
They were all too busy singing songs, insulting the opposition and making any kind of noise they could. My voice gave out when Bresciano scored for Australia, I just blew a whistle the rest of the game.
My point? The 'Soccer' fans theriv is referring to are completely different to any other set of fans of any other sport anywhere in the world. They never sit down, they sing, chant and scream incessantly for the duration. Even the Dominican and Taipei baseball fans don't hold a candle to them. When was the last time you saw 10,000 rugby league or AFL fans stand up through an entire game and make that kind of atmosphere?
It's great, but you won't see it in baseball; especially in Australia. We'll always cheer good plays and groan at bad ones, but that's about it. Football is continuous, it ebbs and flows, the clock always ticks and there's always the chance to create a goal, which is why that kind of support exists. Baseball isn't, it's a game of stop-start and individual plays, which lends it to the kind of support it gets.
You wouldn't want to hear 'AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH; YOU'RE S#!T!' every time the pitcher pitches, would you?
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Post by ramsrus on Dec 16, 2009 8:31:03 GMT 10
What about Koji Maki from Surfers? Left handed pitcher who is doing a great job for Surfers.
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Post by theriv on Dec 16, 2009 8:32:03 GMT 10
You may not like cheering but unfortunately for you, you would be in a minority...why are the Broncos successful or the Lions? The audience likes to participate and they do it by cheering!!Spend 5 minutes with a sports psychologist and you would understand the power of the home crowd fans cheering. Do not under estimate this. Don't try and do it your way. As with any business, see what is tried and true and use it.
You have me wrong. I like to cheer, but not the never-ending chants, whistles, bells, clapping, singing that go with other sports. Don't get me started on the parents of the NSW junior players at National games. That's not baseball. Cheer/support when the situation presents itself.
Again, don't try to make baseball into something else.
I'm just going on what I'm used to -- and that's probably watching over 5,000 baseball games over the past half century.
I know of sports psychologists, I know the influence of crowds. I also know baseball. There are times to be involved and times to watch.
I know baseball is a "game" not a "match". A game is made of innings and designated "first inning" not "first inningS". It's a "great hit" not a "lovely hit". Baseball uses "pitchers" not "chuckers". It's a "field" not a "pitch".
I hope baseball here stays baseball, not a hybrid of various popular sports. I'm not trying to do it "my way" -- but, I would prefer to have it done the baseball way.
If not, I'll continue to attend and enjoy the game -- just away from the whistling-blowing, chanting fans.
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Post by 44 on Dec 16, 2009 12:13:26 GMT 10
You may not like cheering but unfortunately for you, you would be in a minority...why are the Broncos successful or the Lions? The audience likes to participate and they do it by cheering!!Spend 5 minutes with a sports psychologist and you would understand the power of the home crowd fans cheering. Do not under estimate this. Don't try and do it your way. As with any business, see what is tried and true and use it.You have me wrong. I like to cheer, but not the never-ending chants, whistles, bells, clapping, singing that go with other sports. Don't get me started on the parents of the NSW junior players at National games. That's not baseball. Cheer/support when the situation presents itself. Again, don't try to make baseball into something else. I'm just going on what I'm used to -- and that's probably watching over 5,000 baseball games over the past half century. I know of sports psychologists, I know the influence of crowds. I also know baseball. There are times to be involved and times to watch. I know baseball is a "game" not a "match". A game is made of innings and designated "first inning" not "first inningS". It's a "great hit" not a "lovely hit". Baseball uses "pitchers" not "chuckers". It's a "field" not a "pitch". I hope baseball here stays baseball, not a hybrid of various popular sports. I'm not trying to do it "my way" -- but, I would prefer to have it done the baseball way. If not, I'll continue to attend and enjoy the game -- just away from the whistling-blowing, chanting fans. Great post by theriv. I think the crowd at Holloway could get a bit more animated this weekend but continuous chanting and yelling just does not work in baseball. I've studied cinematography and sometime audio Voids are a very good thing in telling a story. Noise works well when edited in at the right time. Let's get the crowd into this one though ...... www.bmr.baseball.com.au/site/baseball/bmr/downloads/QUEENSLANDER.mp3From State of Origin folklore of course... not into the sport myself but someone told me they are now using the chant at QLD Roar Soccer games also?
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Post by don on Dec 16, 2009 14:07:58 GMT 10
Thoughts on Game 1 lineup Vs. Victoria? I see that the Roster has been significantly changed from last weekend? Some key players have been removed from roster? ?
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Post by don on Dec 16, 2009 14:24:24 GMT 10
QUEENSLAND RAMS
Position: James ALBURY RHP Ryan BATTAGLIA Utility PJ BEVIS RHP Jarrod BRUCE RHP Andrew CAMPBELL Infield Brad DUTTON Infield Wade DUTTON Utility Chris LAMB LHP Daniel LAMB-HUNT Infield Brett MONTGOMERY RHP Simon MORRISS RHP Joel NAUGHTON Catcher Mitchell NILSSON Catcher Rory RHODES Infield Alan SCHOENBERGER Infield Aaron THOMPSON RHP Matthew TIMMS RHP Andrew UTTING Utility Shayne WATSON Utility
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Post by rallymonkey44 on Dec 16, 2009 15:33:11 GMT 10
ou may not like cheering but unfortunately for you, you would be in a minority...why are the Broncos successful or the Lions? The audience likes to participate and they do it by cheering!!Spend 5 minutes with a sports psychologist and you would understand the power of the home crowd fans cheering. Do not under estimate this. Don't try and do it your way. As with any business, see what is tried and true and use it.
If the riv is in the minority then he just found a mate to sit with him. Why on earth would you want the crowd ranting and cheering on say a play with none on, none out and a on a 2-0 count. Sit and watch the game and get involved with your support when the play is a little more significant and duely puts some form of influence on the games outcome. For example try 2 out bases loaded and a 3-2 count with your team batting needing a run to tie and 2 for a win.
I can't agree more with not having this great game transformed into a hybrid just so you can put over zealous raucous cheering masses into the park. Baseball has tradition along with technical and tactical finesse that make it what it is in the MLB and other top flite leagues around the world.
Don't start tampering with the game in order to appeal to the luddites who think soccer or football style chanting and raving is the way of the future instead of actually getting supporters to sit, watch, learn and appreciating and acknowledging great plays when they occur or when they need to occur.
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Post by bronco on Dec 16, 2009 16:00:34 GMT 10
WHY did Steve Greer get dropped? No outfielders in the team, plenty of "utilities"? Some other players are extremely lucky to be there looking at their form/stats. I think "averagejoe" is onto something.
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Post by bronco on Dec 16, 2009 16:30:20 GMT 10
Bruce is a pitcher!
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Post by bronco on Dec 16, 2009 16:55:02 GMT 10
Greer, Baker, Fletcher are out as is Linger. So who is going to play outfield? We are going into a series against the Vics with NO specialist outfielders.
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