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Post by snoochies on Oct 28, 2009 18:00:39 GMT 10
My thoughts were that this system would only be for this year and from next season onwards you will have the 2 different competitions. Would hope in the future competitions that they use an English Premier League system where bottom 2 majors drop down a division and the top pacific leaguers go up. I played in a team that won 4 years in row with I think 1 or 2 losses during those seasons and were never promoted even though criteria had been met. It gives every club something to strive for from the pacific league (to win a title and promotion), and keeps the major teams on notice as to not get dropped.
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Post by unknown on Oct 28, 2009 19:21:42 GMT 10
I am not even involved in Major A, yet I understand EXACTLY how it works this season ( make Top 8 in the MAJOR A, and make Criteria and you qualify, Bottom 7 are Pacific league ) OK Ramsfan, riddle me this if you know EXACTLY how it works this season... IF one of the top 8 does not meet criteria, does the 9th placed team (or next team who meets criteria) get to play in the top league? In other words - is it only whoever meets criteria in the top 8, or the top 8 teams who meet criteria? I certainly don't know the answer to this question, and I haven't seen anything on this forum (or anywhere else on the BQ website) detailing which it is...
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Post by unknown on Oct 28, 2009 19:42:32 GMT 10
It wouldn't be fair to carry the points over into the real season in B grade as there are 15 teams, and you have not played everyone equally. At the end of the season when a club misses the finals because of 1 game they lost to a club not even in their comp, will they suck it up or start complaining that it's unfair. A fair enough point, maybe even a good enough reason for these points not to count. Guys, you can't have everything. You want your A grade to follow your B grade team each week. I just think nobody has anything better to do with their time than complain about things. At the end of the day, no one is making you play. If you don't like it, take up bare foot bowls or something. I definitely have better things to do, I am trying to voice my concern so that the people in the right places hear and understand how a reasonable percentage of people within the league feel. I'm not going to say it's the majority of people, but it's enough (and it's people who have played for a long time) to make it relevant. Why don't you guys have a go at making up a draw for 15 B grade teams, and an A grade comp as well and see how easy you find it. 1) You actually only have to do 1 draw for both since B grade follows A grade as you pointed out above. 2)They have programs that do this I believe. It's not as hard as you think. Give BQ a break, they are trying new things for this sport. They might work, they might not. At least we are getting something done. This last sentence makes me think you are involved yourself within BQ ("At least WE are getting something done")? You are correct they are trying new things for the sport, and for that I congratulate them, I think it's great in fact. I'm not personally attacking anyone here, so don't get angry about this issue, i'm just looking for the information that makes it clear the direction we (Queensland Baseball) are heading.
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Post by 44 on Oct 28, 2009 19:48:10 GMT 10
I am not even involved in Major A, yet I understand EXACTLY how it works this season ( make Top 8 in the MAJOR A, and make Criteria and you qualify, Bottom 7 are Pacific league ) OK Ramsfan, riddle me this if you know EXACTLY how it works this season... IF one of the top 8 does not meet criteria, does the 9th placed team (or next team who meets criteria) get to play in the top league? In other words - is it only whoever meets criteria in the top 8, or the top 8 teams who meet criteria? I certainly don't know the answer to this question, and I haven't seen anything on this forum (or anywhere else on the BQ website) detailing which it is... Unknown, It is CLEARLY published in the BQ By-Laws on the BQ website and sent to all clubs. Let me save you the trouble of searching for it: THE MAJOR LEAGUES Preamble
The GBL Major Leagues will be conducted using two separate leagues. The Major League and the Pacific League.
Qualifying Rounds
To determine the clubs in each of the leagues, the GBL will conduct a 15 club round robin for 7 ½ weeks.
Leagues
At the conclusion of the qualifying rounds, the top eight clubs, according to the standings, will be invited to join the Major League. The Pacific League will be made up from the remaining seven clubs. Clubs that win through to the Major League are required to meet the BQ criteria for that League. Failing this, the club will be placed in the Pacific League and the next highest ranked Pacific League club will be invited to play in the Major League, as long as the criteria can be met.
Clubs wishing to participate in the Major and Pacific Leagues will need to field 3 senior teams in the 2009/2010 competition with the Major League and Pacific League being made up of A and B grade.
BQ is giving Clubs the option of placing their 3rd senior team in a competition below the Major and Pacific Leagues ie: Minor League, Masters etc.
I suggest that anyone who has similar queries check with their own club committee first or at least bother to actually read the published BQ Rules and By-Laws.
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Post by T on Oct 28, 2009 19:57:07 GMT 10
Teebag, you are correct. Those encumbrances are placed there to protect clubs and players alike. No player is compelled to remain at his or her current club, but we do ask that they depart with harmony. Pay your bills, return equipment and let the club know that you are moving and why. That allows the losing club to look at reasons why players are leaving and maybe they can fix it. If a player is coerced to stay and needs assistance, then they should contact the BQ office and we will get our member protection officer onto the problem. As to the players moving from bottom 7 to top 8 this season. It will not happen during the competition because they have only 4 weeks to decide and half way through the qualifying, who knows what teams will be there. There could be a top 6, bottom 9. It all depends on the clubs meeting the criteria for Major League.[/i] [/quote] Based on the insinuation made there, it would seem you need to win and make criteria to be in the top league. Otherwise more than 7 teams could end up in the bottom league.
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Post by unknown on Oct 28, 2009 20:00:24 GMT 10
Thanks Rams,
I looked for this and actually read this, obviously missed the point I was searching for - my apologies regarding this point & my apologies to you personally Ramsfan.
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Post by craft on Oct 28, 2009 21:38:19 GMT 10
Here's how I see it. Everyone has now played catch up games. Narangba and Mudgy have their byes this weekend. Windsor, Pine Hills, Indians, Surfers and Wests are in and meet the criteria according to teams nominated. Beenleigh and Padres need to win one more game out of 2 to be in for certain and both meet criteria. Beenleigh play Indians and All Stars, Padres play Windsor then Carina. Of the next teams on the current ladder, Mudgy and Pine Rivers do not meet the criteria, so then that leaves All Stars and Muskets. All Stars play Pine Hills and Beenleigh whilst Muskets play Wests and Indians and need to win both fixtures to give Beenleigh and Padres a scare. If they lose both they finish up level does it go on head to head? Recently All Stars beat Muskets but I am not sure how it works. Redlands, Narangba, Rangers and Resox cannot make it, so do the math. Whew!!
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Post by T on Oct 28, 2009 21:58:11 GMT 10
wait....Mudgee don't meet the criteria? How so?
and have Redlands played their catchup game?
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Post by craft on Oct 28, 2009 22:00:42 GMT 10
Mudgy don't have an Under 16 team in the GBL comp. Redlands played Narangba last night and got spanked like 17-5
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Post by 44 on Oct 28, 2009 22:08:53 GMT 10
Mudgy don't have an Under 16 team in the GBL comp. Redlands played Narangba last night and got spanked like 17-5 Surfers and Mudgy do not have GBL U14 teams ?
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Post by craft on Oct 28, 2009 22:11:54 GMT 10
Talk to BQI about that one. Apparently they have exemption to play in the Gold Coast league and have had for some years. Don't agree but not my call
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Post by T on Oct 28, 2009 22:16:28 GMT 10
So they don't have U16s or U14s, or they have both but not in Brisbane? hmm...
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Post by craft on Oct 28, 2009 22:22:53 GMT 10
I know, yet Surfers have U16's in Brisbane and both have U20's in Brisbane. The Mudgy team in the Gold Coast League is U/17's but Surfers also have a side in there??
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Post by T on Oct 28, 2009 22:28:13 GMT 10
As long as they have juniors to keep developing into seniors, that's probably what counts.
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Oct 28, 2009 22:28:56 GMT 10
In previous years it has gone on H2H. Which means Musketeers have a real chance of snagging 8th away from Mudgee.
I have a funny feeling Mudgy meet criteria, because, just like Surfers, I don't think they are required to field junior teams in both Brisbane and Gold Coast comps. Both clubs haven't fielded a 14's team in Brisbane for quite some years.
So by my reckoning the top 8 will remain unless one of four results happen:
Ipswich win both games and Padres win one Ipswich goes into 8th instead of Mudgee on H2H
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Ipswich wins one game and Mudgee loses their game Ipswich goes into 8th instead of Mudgee on H2H
OR to a less likely degree
Padres or Beenleigh lose both and Ipswich wins both. This would see Ipswich go through instead of Mudgee or Padres (depending on F&A) on H2H as below:
Ipswich beat everyone = 3-0 Beenleigh beat Padres, Mudgee, lost to Musketeers = 2-1 Padres beat Mudgee lost to Beenleigh Muskets = 1-2 Mudgee beat Beenleigh, lost to Muskets, Padres = 1-2
OR to an even less likely degree
Padres lose both games, Beenleigh loses both games, Mudgee loses their game, All-Stars win both games, Ipswich win both games. Then there are 5 teams tied on 50%, we go to a 5 way H2H.
Padres beat Mudgee, All Stars, lost to Beenleigh Muskets = 2-2 Beenleigh beat Padres, Mudgee, lost to All-Stars, Musketeers = 2-2 Mudgee beat All-Stars, Beenleigh, lost to Muskets, Padres = 2-2 All-Stars beat Muskets, Beenleigh, lost to Mudgee, Padres = 2-2 Ipswich beat everyone except All-Stars = 3-1
Ipswich qualify on H2H and the remaining 4 go on runs for and against then I believe, top two qualify.
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