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Post by pope on Oct 27, 2009 6:21:34 GMT 10
People would rather listen to/propagate the rumours/guesses than rather find out what is actually happening. This is 100% absolutely wrong, I actually specifically directed my question at the people who can answer this question accurately. By memory, BQ didn't start this forum..... But as it's not their message board they probably don't see the need to post to it, instead waiting for questions to come through the established channels. If BQI provide a link to a forum, and name it 'BQ FORUM', it is their message board and in my opinion that forum provides as good a channel as any to voice your questions regarding the league. All i'm asking is 'why' these games don't count moving forward through the remainder of the season? This is why I am 100% correct - you didn't read what I wrote, you just read what you wanted to read. BQI didn't name the forum because they didn't start it. Just because they provide a link doesn't mean that they own it. They have links to sponsors, does that mean that they own them? Does that mean that they should read their web pages/messages as well? Don't think so. Also, as was implied in an earlier post in the last week (cant remember who by), they are probably to busy to check the general banter of the baseball community every day Oh and if I am 100% wrong, why don't you have your answer yet?
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Post by snoochies on Oct 27, 2009 7:39:42 GMT 10
This is 100% absolutely wrong, I actually specifically directed my question at the people who can answer this question accurately. If BQI provide a link to a forum, and name it 'BQ FORUM', it is their message board and in my opinion that forum provides as good a channel as any to voice your questions regarding the league. All i'm asking is 'why' these games don't count moving forward through the remainder of the season? This is why I am 100% correct - you didn't read what I wrote, you just read what you wanted to read. BQI didn't name the forum because they didn't start it. Just because they provide a link doesn't mean that they own it. They have links to sponsors, does that mean that they own them? Does that mean that they should read their web pages/messages as well? Don't think so. Also, as was implied in an earlier post in the last week (cant remember who by), they are probably to busy to check the general banter of the baseball community every day Oh and if I am 100% wrong, why don't you have your answer yet? On the main page on tpic number one it states " Baseball QLD Forum Rules: All users of this free Baseball QLD Forum must read and abide by these rules.Also when looking at the moderators we have BQ Moderator and BQ Office so just from that information alone, I dare say BQI have something to do with this forum and considering all topics were started by BQ moderator and can only presume that this is a Baseball Queensland forum. Unless I am reading it wrong.
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Post by unknown on Oct 27, 2009 8:41:28 GMT 10
I'm not going to go round in circles here with you Pope, but (a) I haven't actually asked for general rumours / guesses as you put it & (b) as snoochies put it you can only presume that this is a Baseball Queensland forum given the evidence.
I bought the question forward and directed it specifically at anyone within BQ who can explain the reasoning for this decision. If BQ would help wtih this topic, there would be far less frustration from players involved
Whether you think so or not Pope, and wether BQ started this forum or not - when you offer a link to a message board, name the link 'BQ FORUM', have Baseball QLD Forum Rules and BQ Moderators - it is their forum.
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Post by madmax on Oct 27, 2009 12:13:52 GMT 10
it makes you wonder if the machine is working properly if a simple question cannot be answered in an open forum but a concentrated effort and repeated barrage is made to convince you to go away and ask your club for the answer.
to the whingers who can't see a "point" to playing B grade, stay home and take up knitting. most baseballers go to the park to have a game and HAVE FUN. this is regardless of whether there is a trophy for you at the end of the game. to the poor babies who have "wasted" their time playing B grade for the last 7 weeks, stay home, put your feet up and watch the cricket. you shouldn't be allowed within a mile of the baseball park.
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Post by unknown on Oct 27, 2009 13:37:12 GMT 10
it makes you wonder if the machine is working properly if a simple question cannot be answered in an open forum but a concentrated effort and repeated barrage is made to convince you to go away and ask your club for the answer. to the whingers who can't see a "point" to playing B grade, stay home and take up knitting. most baseballers go to the park to have a game and HAVE FUN. this is regardless of whether there is a trophy for you at the end of the game. to the poor babies who have "wasted" their time playing B grade for the last 7 weeks, stay home, put your feet up and watch the cricket. you shouldn't be allowed within a mile of the baseball park. Madmax, I understand your second point, but your 2 comments seem to counter argue each other. In the first point, you seem to be saying BQ are doing a good job of avoiding the issue. While your 2nd point seems to justify their avoidance by stating it's about having fun, not about what we're playing for. Yes we play the game because we love it and it's fun, but that doesn't mean we don't deserve a well run competition with rules and by-laws that make sense. Or at the very least, an organisation that can answer what I thought to be a reasonably simple question.
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Post by Ryn on Oct 27, 2009 14:28:15 GMT 10
to the whingers who can't see a "point" to playing B grade, stay home and take up knitting. most baseballers go to the park to have a game and HAVE FUN. this is regardless of whether there is a trophy for you at the end of the game. to the poor babies who have "wasted" their time playing B grade for the last 7 weeks, stay home, put your feet up and watch the cricket. you shouldn't be allowed within a mile of the baseball park. I don't think it's accurate to state that the 2nd highest level of internal competition in QLD should be to just "HAVE FUN". There are lower grades for players who only want that facet out of their weekend games. I'd say the majority of B-grade players want to win, and want to play for a championship.
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Post by QBUA on Oct 27, 2009 15:27:26 GMT 10
To the posters concerned, this is a personal posting by myself. No matter what grade of ball you play, if your in the running, you are looking at winning the competition, or at least, winning every game you can. Show me how a Minor league team or a "C" grade team does not celebrate just as much as the higher grades if they win the comp. Yes there are alot of players out there just to participate, but don't take their enthusiasm for winning from them. Most of the postings in other threads always talks about club's as an "A" grade team, there is alot more to a club than just that grade. Yes, they may be the best players in that club, maybe, there are still alot of good players out there, just that they do not wish to play "A" grade due to the commitment.
Everyone should be given their dues not matter what grade.
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Post by madmax on Oct 27, 2009 23:03:04 GMT 10
my apologies for not being clear enough.
point 1 is that there is a huge thread above which basically seems to say "go and ask you club". if I had set up this structure, I would have been delighted to share my thoughts on why B grade was structured like this. BQI should take this opportunity to provide feedback (and ask for feedback to finetune for next year). obviously, they choose not to do so and adopt a "go ask your club" stance. I think players (I assume that this forum is full of players) deserve more than this.
the second point is my personal response to the whingers. it was made clear months ago that the top placed team in B grade would collect some sort of "Cup". this "Cup" is what you were playing for (if you needed a reason to play baseball and HAVING FUN was not good enough for you). going on about how the first 7 weeks of B grade was a waste of time or some sort of "tournament" seems petty: you got to play every week and a Cup was the prize (for those who need one) if you came 1st.
intelligent people will realise B grade is the place where you blood and mature upcoming juniors to ultimately bring into A grade. this is reason enough to have it if the above is not sufficient for you.
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Post by Ryn on Oct 28, 2009 7:50:27 GMT 10
the second point is my personal response to the whingers. it was made clear months ago that the top placed team in B grade would collect some sort of "Cup". this "Cup" is what you were playing for (if you needed a reason to play baseball and HAVING FUN was not good enough for you). going on about how the first 7 weeks of B grade was a waste of time or some sort of "tournament" seems petty: you got to play every week and a Cup was the prize (for those who need one) if you came 1st. intelligent people will realise B grade is the place where you blood and mature upcoming juniors to ultimately bring into A grade. this is reason enough to have it if the above is not sufficient for you. That's fair enough. I don't think previous posters are disagreeing with you here. They aren't saying that the first round has been a waste of time (well, I guess they sort of are), but I think they are trying to emphasize the need to carry those points across. To do so seems a little illogical (unless we are missing something, which as I understand it, is the point of this thread). If you don't carry the points across, only those people who are playing to 'have fun' will be satisfied. If you carry the points across, everyone is satisfied (well probably not the teams that didn't play well in the first round, but that's the point of competition).
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Post by unknown on Oct 28, 2009 8:47:55 GMT 10
Madmax,
This second post is much clearer, thanks for that.
I guess I just find I just find it frustrating that we can't get an answer regarding this issue from the right people.
To the second point, my understanding of a commissioners cup / shield is that this was played between the top 2 teams after the 'first' round of games... that to me would mean points carry forward. If this first 8 weeks really was a tournament, there could have easily been 2 pools where there was a ruond robin within those pools.
I find it frustarting that this thread has created such interest in a short period of time, yet the BQ powers have continually decided not to get involved, which simply creates more confusion and propaganda to develop... (Pope - don't tell me that going through the "right" channels would have been any better, caus it's not).
I'm not saying I need to agree with the decision, I just would like to know the justification. I'd even be happy if BQ were say that there are some growing pains with the new structure and it will be better next year. This isn't about the league being what I want, it's about Queensland Baseball presenting a product that looks good to the outside world.
To me, the more games that count towards your final placing gives a greater chance of the best teams making the playoffs. Teams that win games early in the season should be rewarded as much as teams that win late in the season. As with everything in life, the smaller sample size, the less accurate results you'll get. Taking away these last 8 games from the tally makes little sense to me when we are talking about such a small sample size anyway. Now, IF BQ were to say that after the top 8 is established you will play everyone in that top 8 an even number of times, then I could understand the logic - but if the schedule after this seperation isn't balanced, why does it matter if it isn't balanced before?
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Post by Ryn on Oct 28, 2009 9:22:08 GMT 10
I find it frustarting that this thread has created such interest in a short period of time, yet the BQ powers have continually decided not to get involved, which simply creates more confusion and propaganda to develop... (Pope - don't tell me that going through the "right" channels would have been any better, caus it's not). Is it documented anywhere that the points will not carry across? Or the contrary? Is the format for the league the 2nd half documented/set-out? Surely this was done prior to competition commencing.
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Post by unknown on Oct 28, 2009 9:35:50 GMT 10
I find it frustarting that this thread has created such interest in a short period of time, yet the BQ powers have continually decided not to get involved, which simply creates more confusion and propaganda to develop... (Pope - don't tell me that going through the "right" channels would have been any better, caus it's not). Is it documented anywhere that the points will not carry across? Or the contrary? Is the format for the league the 2nd half documented/set-out? Surely this was done prior to competition commencing. Good Question... Ryn, if i'm correct - aren't you a B grade Coach yourself? Surely you know the structure of the B grade competition by now?
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Post by unknown on Oct 28, 2009 16:03:58 GMT 10
www.thechronicle.com.au/story/2009/10/27/rangers-face-first-round-crunch-time/“The way it works is I think they put the top eight teams in one draw and the bottom seven in another,” Brown said. “I’m not really sure how the season will work from here, so we’ll get through this weekend and find out where we go.” Is it not concerning that we are having articles written about our league with these kinds of quotes in them? This is not an attack on Buzz, just showing that the information regarding this season is not available to those who are involved. Toowoomba in my mind would be a place we are still trying to grow the sport, and to have this uncertainty shown in a local newspaper is not good. I got to this article through the link on the ABF website, which means our baseball counterparts in other states are seeing this too. Somehow, somewhere the structure of all leagues should be readily available to the public before the seasons begin so that this type of confusion can be avoided. That way, annoying people like me would have no reason to be so persistent with our questions. All i'm asking for is information.
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Post by 44 on Oct 28, 2009 17:39:57 GMT 10
www.thechronicle.com.au/story/2009/10/27/rangers-face-first-round-crunch-time/“The way it works is I think they put the top eight teams in one draw and the bottom seven in another,” Brown said. “I’m not really sure how the season will work from here, so we’ll get through this weekend and find out where we go.” Is it not concerning that we are having articles written about our league with these kinds of quotes in them? This is not an attack on Buzz, just showing that the information regarding this season is not available to those who are involved. Toowoomba in my mind would be a place we are still trying to grow the sport, and to have this uncertainty shown in a local newspaper is not good. I got to this article through the link on the ABF website, which means our baseball counterparts in other states are seeing this too. Somehow, somewhere the structure of all leagues should be readily available to the public before the seasons begin so that this type of confusion can be avoided. That way, annoying people like me would have no reason to be so persistent with our questions. All i'm asking for is information. Unknown, Let's focus on Major A on this Press release. I am not even involved in Major A, yet I understand EXACTLY how it works this season ( make Top 8 in the MAJOR A, and make Criteria and you qualify, Bottom 7 are Pacific league ) BQ sent this information to ALL Clubs at season start, my club passed that information on. I read it and understood it. If the Rangers A grade Coach still does not understand it coming up to last 2 Prelim rounds or his club has not communicated to him what is a very clear structure layed out to ALL before the season, I fail to see how that is BQ's fault. As was highlighted last season, any Major A Coach can go running to the press with mis-information.
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Post by oldmate on Oct 28, 2009 17:51:47 GMT 10
It wouldn't be fair to carry the points over into the real season in B grade as there are 15 teams, and you have not played everyone equally. At the end of the season when a club misses the finals because of 1 game they lost to a club not even in their comp, will they suck it up or start complaining that it's unfair. Guys, you can't have everything. You want your A grade to follow your B grade team each week. I just think nobody has anything better to do with their time than complain about things. At the end of the day, no one is making you play. If you don't like it, take up bare foot bowls or something. Why don't you guys have a go at making up a draw for 15 B grade teams, and an A grade comp as well and see how easy you find it. Give BQ a break, they are trying new things for this sport. They might work, they might not. At least we are getting something done.
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