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Post by homerun on Oct 21, 2009 15:11:04 GMT 10
What is the protocol for a player who has not participated in ANY of the selection process from Timberjacks through to metro who has made the state squad selection?
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Post by 44 on Oct 21, 2009 16:01:37 GMT 10
What is the protocol for a player who has not participated in ANY of the selection process from Timberjacks through to metro who has made the state squad selection? Is this Seniors or what age group Homerun? Sounds like a selection issue to me.
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Post by bronco on Oct 21, 2009 16:15:08 GMT 10
Maybe if the player was unavailable for "legitimate" reasons and the coaches/selectors know of his/her ability and thought worthy of selection then I can't see why not select in the squad.
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Post by homerun on Oct 21, 2009 21:59:56 GMT 10
I do not want to say which age group as it may make it too obvious and I do not want to cause the person any harm as it is not his fault, but age should be irrelevant. There surely must be some minimum participation especially when so many others have put themselves through the selection process. Even if player injured ?? for that period of time, his skills are sure to have deteriorated. And no, he was not on tour or doing anything else baseball. The selection process loses credibility. This is about the integrity of the system.
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Oct 21, 2009 22:32:23 GMT 10
It sounds pretty clear which age group it is The only selection processes which ever get argued are U14's and U15 schoolboys. If a kid isn't good enough, he'll get found out pretty quickly, because these are squad numbers, not the team.
The selectors would have had a reasoning behind it.
Usually by second year 16's and U18's, coaches know where each kid is placed skill level wise and it usually works out fair at the end of the day
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Post by pope on Oct 22, 2009 7:13:00 GMT 10
What is the protocol for a player who has not participated in ANY of the selection process from Timberjacks through to metro who has made the state squad selection? Ahh it's that time of the year again, State squads are named some people are happy, others are disappointed. Emails fly around questioning selectors (some a little harsher than others!) Selectors pick teams with the knowledge they have, (Sometimes thats different than the knowledge that us people on the side line have). I would like to believe that they pick a team to win the titles, not to win particular parents support. But could you imagine how long it would take if they had to justify every selection and non-selection. Every parent thinks their child is a star and should be in the team. The reality is only so many players can make a squad, and the selectors pick a squad to win games with the information they have. Sometimes you just have to trust them. BTW, my child didn't make the under 14 squad. I just put it down to the fact there were better players to be picked................
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Post by ramsrus on Oct 22, 2009 8:51:22 GMT 10
Thought I would give my personal opinion on this topic.....
Everyone who has posted on this topic has some valid points.
Let's not fool ourselves though into believing that a perfect job is done with selections - there is no such thing. The parents and players who are normally in this position are those who are not the standouts (or they'd be the ones in the squad without participation), they are the good players who have to compete with other similar good players for a spot. There are normally more of these good players than there are spots in the team and hence the disappontment. What I have seen over the years is that if you are a standout, the "road is paved in gold and opportunity" so to say and everything that can be done will be done to help you realise your potential - in my opinion, sometimes without meeting the expectations that the good players have to meet. However, if you fall into the good player category, then this is where attitude, work ethic, ability, commitment and how much the people who count know about you, comes into play. If they don't know you, have little information about you and no one who does know you is rooting for you, then you don't have much chance in my opinion. We are dealing with human beings here, who will make decisions based on their own knowledge, experience, emotions and advice from others they respect and yes it doesn't help when there are relationship issues.
BUT, if you love the game, work hard, attend as many of the programs available, ask constructively for feedback (which sometimes doesn't sound like anything other than "I can't give you a good reason"), then you at least have a chance of getting into the standout category or become noticed. This whole experience of moving from good to standout is not easy and if you are not mentally tough enough to persevere, then there is nothing wrong with loving the game and playing for the shear pleasure and privelage of being able to do so.
As a parent, it is very hard to see your child hurt and disappointed and deal with your own disappointment because they are not recognised when they and you feel they should be. I can't give you any advice on how to deal with this as I haven't learnt how to deal with it myself, but I know for a fact there are players who were not in the standout category, who have signed pro contracts or are playing college ball.
Pope, I don't agree that it is always a case of other players are better. There is much more involved than that.
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Post by madmax on Oct 22, 2009 9:17:06 GMT 10
sponsor the team your kid wants to play in. I guarantee the coaching staff will have a much closer look at your kid than they would otherwise.
rams, one of the most intelligent and thought-out responses I have seen! if more parents had a similar firm grounding in the real world (and the vagaries therein), there would be a lot less disputes.
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Post by homerun on Oct 22, 2009 9:26:34 GMT 10
In case you didn't notice, it is not about a specific child making or not making the squad... it is about the transparency of the process. Ofcourse if your child didn't make it, it doesn't mean your child is not of the required standard...they may not be what selectors are looking for in that particular team. Perhaps that is the feedback needed to be given to encourage players. They certainly deserve the feedback after their financial and time commitment prior to selection or nonselection. Remember, these are children and not just a number and they are not yet thickskinned adults
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Post by 17starter on Oct 22, 2009 16:11:12 GMT 10
This polite and well mannered young man must have some raw talent,, it may also be the case that he has been attending private lessons at BMPS FOR NEARLY 2 YEARS NOW, as well as working as hard as any student i have had, this young man is a possible future PRO...I am disgusted with your post.
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Post by oldmate on Oct 22, 2009 20:16:09 GMT 10
timberjacks has nothing to do with rams selection. it is a friendship tournament. sounds like sour grapes cause someone didnt make the rams squad. so what if a player is injured, when he gets back on the field he still might be a far better player than other team members even though he hasnt swung a bat in weeks. i think i know who your talking about and the kid has tools. he is going to be a star when he gets older. at the end of the day..... i think the metro coaching staff got their roster right.....they won the tournament didnt they?
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Post by homerun on Oct 22, 2009 22:02:16 GMT 10
17starter, this is for open discussion. He might be a future PRO but so might MANY others!!!It is about fair process.I am sure he has talent otherwise he would not have been chosen but why don't you think about the efforts of others, the dedication to turning up to practice and believing that if you put in the effort, you will be rewarded, I didn't see anywhere that if you put in 2 years at bmps that you will be selected. Be disgusted if that's your way but be fair!YET AGAIN, it is not about the child himself, it is about the protocol that is fair to all
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Post by williemays_hays on Oct 22, 2009 22:43:25 GMT 10
What the heck is bmps??? I think Oldmate and Pope are spot on - this discussion happens every single year. Whats the answer? Select only the kids that hit above .400 or have an ERA below 3.5 at the tournament? Then go to the Nationals and embarress ourselves because the players chosen had one decent weekend?
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Post by wildpitch23 on Oct 22, 2009 23:34:36 GMT 10
Stats at State Titles count for zero. You could be put on to play against only weaker teams and have a better batting average than someone who was up against the best pitchers in the state. Likewise, a pitcher that throws against a weaker team will have a better ERA than one that comes up against better hitters. Junior players are looked at over the previous season, testing days and by their Regional Coaches whilst training in the leadup to States. Those coaches are asked for their recommendations also. I agree with Ramsrus (great post by the way) in saying that in all likelihood, most spots in a squad are already decided before the States. There is no exact method to how to pick a team. If someone is good enough to make the final team, they will eventually. If they don't stand out enough to make the large squad that is picked following the tournament, then they're probably not good enough at present to make the final team. I have spent the time and money for years sending my kids to State titles but never with the expectation that because I am, that my kid will make a team. If the player that you are concerned about, Homerun, isn't good enough, he will quickly be found out when the squad starts training.
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Post by homerun on Oct 24, 2009 23:34:00 GMT 10
Now isn't that interesting wildpitch. For a sport that has stats for everything, you want to pick and choose WHEN you want to use those stats.Stats are objective. Stats don't decide whether they like you or not. Stats don't have their own agenda. eg I know this kid and he didn't do well so we'll just disregard those stats. If those players are given their chances fairly to perform over a 3 day tournament against 6 teams, it should even out. Those coaches recommendations should not have any weight. Let the players game speak for itself. Stats can not be manipulated. If stats are not going to be used, then why bother doing them.
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