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Post by 44 on Feb 15, 2009 19:17:37 GMT 10
At Pine Hills. Major B's and C's washed out. Friday night Major A game at Windsor washed out.
Double header Major A played Sunday at Pine Hills . game #1 ( The 5th Annual Paul Mutch Cup ) went to Pine hills and game 2 also for the series sweep to PH.
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Post by puff on Feb 16, 2009 6:25:16 GMT 10
Just read the results and Surfers Paradise's 2 Japanese import pitchers dominated Indians in their double header. I'm not sure whether these 2 are eligible for the finals and whilst I agree that imports are good for the league, maybe some sort of restrictions need to be put in place. Who wants to see a team dominate because they have 2 exceptional import pitchers. Maybe limit the imports to 1 pitcher only. Shallow victory if Surfers were to win the comp because of these 2 guys. Junior development?
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Feb 16, 2009 7:50:05 GMT 10
Padres split with Rapids in Sunday's double header. 1-4 in the first game and a walk off home-run to win 5-3 in the second. All other games were washed out this weekend
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Post by nutz on Feb 16, 2009 10:01:09 GMT 10
Redlands won both Games against Wests on Sunday. Hitting in Total 6 Home Runs! 3 of them going to our Import Catcher Josh Morrison.
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Post by 44 on Feb 16, 2009 12:42:36 GMT 10
Just read the results and Surfers Paradise's 2 Japanese import pitchers dominated Indians in their double header. I'm not sure whether these 2 are eligible for the finals and whilst I agree that imports are good for the league, maybe some sort of restrictions need to be put in place. Who wants to see a team dominate because they have 2 exceptional import pitchers. Maybe limit the imports to 1 pitcher only. Shallow victory if Surfers were to win the comp because of these 2 guys. Junior development? This a very interesting and important subject Puff has raised and perhaps one for another thread that can get more input. I do not know know the Import Status of most other clubs? Although I have heard a few with bad experiences and some imports sent packing as a waste of their time and limited club resources. Our own club debated long and hard as to even allowing one import. It has proved to be a very good decision as it turns out and not just on field performance. I remember a very talented import player from All Stars during the past ASL era, great player but he also put in big time at Junior training clinics for the 2 Northside Clubs, a superb Import player. IMO: - Limit the Comp to 10 teams ( as I have posted many times already)
- 1 Import per team only, or at most 1 Pitcher and 1 Position player.
- Whether starter or relief pitcher, Import is limited to 1 game pitching per 7 days.
- Imports MUST contribute regularly to club junior training clinics.
- Depending on their time in Aussie, Imports MUST help club with junior membership drives, fund raising, junior trophy days etc.
Clubs should be very careful about spending limited resources on so called "Gun" Imports. There is a thread on the national forum, bloke from SA asking why is the SA team so far behind in Claxton Shield when their local Adelaide comp is so strong with many Imports . ( Well gee.. let me think why )
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Post by snoball on Feb 16, 2009 13:45:59 GMT 10
Having just returned from the US, and heading back again next month, talking to a number of college and pro players interested in playing opportunities in Australia -- I know a number of clubs, here and in other states, have a pretty good grip on expectations of their imports. A number are interviewed while in the US, seen and/or assessed by other coaches. As well, those that I have been associated with are told of club expectations during negotiations and only those of sound character are then assisted in finding clubs for them. If clubs are not following some basic guidelines then they could get someone who doesn't fit in. I don't agree with Puff's conditions (1 import/team, limited to pitching 1 game per 7 days, etc.). If they play here, they shouldn't have restrictions applied to them. And, I don't agree that import players slow the development of other players, as was inferred in his SA statement. During Qld's best Claxton results in the 80's, there were a number of outstanding imports playing in the Brisbane comp.
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Post by 44 on Feb 16, 2009 14:47:38 GMT 10
Having just returned from the US, and heading back again next month, talking to a number of college and pro players interested in playing opportunities in Australia -- I know a number of clubs, here and in other states, have a pretty good grip on expectations of their imports. A number are interviewed while in the US, seen and/or assessed by other coaches. As well, those that I have been associated with are told of club expectations during negotiations and only those of sound character are then assisted in finding clubs for them. If clubs are not following some basic guidelines then they could get someone who doesn't fit in. I don't agree with Puff's conditions (1 import/team, limited to pitching 1 game per 7 days, etc.). If they play here, they shouldn't have restrictions applied to them. And, I don't agree that import players slow the development of other players, as was inferred in his SA statement. During Qld's best Claxton results in the 80's, there were a number of outstanding imports playing in the Brisbane comp. good input snoball. I'm pretty sure Puff can back up their own comments. For myself, I think qualified imports are a great thing for Brisbane baseball in a limited capacity . But from your post, I don't know of any central vetting committee that checks these imports out? Personal experience? Due to website contact, I have had many from Canada and USA approach me direct by email and even phone calls. I always did my own background check before submitting an import option to our club committee. In one case, a guy from Michigan must have sent me almost 40 emails. Checking his background, ranked #1 in his US State at the time, a former top 50 US College Draft choice in the Minors, Highly ranked Pro prospect then signed. Attended a MLB Spring training. On checking his background, he just dropped totally off the baseball radar in the USA for 2 years then was desperate to play ball in Australia or Europe. He wanted 10 Grand at first !!, then airfare, then half airfare. In all my contact with him and numerous questions, he never once showed an interest in helping out at Junior Training Clinics... Just kept telling me what a Stud player he was. His Stats are on the net and he was a very advanced player. I dropped off all contact and did not even pass his name onto our club committee so I did not waste their time. snoball? There is no central BQ committee or import vetting process that I know of? Each club can make their own Import decisions either with intelligence or stupidity it seems.
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Post by puff on Feb 16, 2009 17:20:33 GMT 10
Snoball, back in the 80s we had an 8 team comp that played twice a week and whilst a lot of quality imports played here there was definately not 2 pitchers playing on the 1 team.
I am not against imports because I believe that they help to raise the overall standard of our competition but having 2 pitchers on the 1 team that dominates surely doesnt develop any young pitchers from that club.
BTW you have misquoted my opinions.
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Post by snoball on Feb 16, 2009 17:51:13 GMT 10
Sorry, Puff. ramsfan44 brought up the restrictions. I was trying to reply while hiding the website from my boss. My bad. ramsfan44, no, there is no BQI committee that checks out imports and I don't think there needs to be one -- let if be a case of each club does what it wants and buyer beware. But one question, Puff, you don't think it's fair that one team has two imports that are dominant -- because they are good? Maybe other clubs should then raise their standard. I also think Surfer's has a pretty good reputation re: its junior program, so I have no concerns that they don't feel they have any juniors ready to pitch A grade right now.
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Post by 44 on Feb 16, 2009 17:53:29 GMT 10
I quoted the SA issue, not Puff.
Reading the original thread on the National baord about SA Baseball, I infer that they have too many imports allowed and not enough Junior development from within.
I Hope Brisbane Baeball never gets to the point that we need import Talent to make a stromg 10 team Major A comp.
If we are talking National ABF League, that's a new ball game. Bring on the Imports in Buckets I say.
Tell us all what you are thinking snoball if you have inside running??
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Post by 44 on Feb 16, 2009 18:12:30 GMT 10
Sorry, Puff. ramsfan44 brought up the restrictions. I was trying to reply while hiding the website from my boss. My bad. ramsfan44, no, there is no BQI committee that checks out imports and I don't think there needs to be one -- let if be a case of each club does what it wants and buyer beware. But one question, Puff, you don't think it's fair that one team has two imports that are dominant -- because they are good? Maybe other clubs should then raise their standard. I also think Surfer's has a pretty good reputation re: its junior program, so I have no concerns that they don't feel they have any juniors ready to pitch A grade right now. C,mon snoball.. Let us get with some facts. Gold Coast has 7 Junior Clubs and a very strong Junior Program. Are you telling us that Gold Coast cannot develop 3 or 4 great pitchers from Juniors 7 Clubs Gold Coast Region= 7 Clubs Bris North = 3 Clubs Metro = 4 Clubs about each year most kids are picked from PH and Windsor and some from carina. As Bris West has now merged with Bris South.. I am wondering why Bris North and Metro do not merge also? Bris West does not exist any more in Juniors apparently. Bris South is strong with a few clubs. If GCBA cannot develop a few top pitchers for Mudgy or Surfers each sason drawing players from 7 clubs. Big kick in bottom please.
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Post by puff on Feb 16, 2009 18:20:55 GMT 10
The way the comp is at the moment 2 import pitchers on 1 team will dominate BUT reduce the comp to 8 or 10 teams then it's a different story.
Honestly, no one believe it is a true A grade comp at the moment .
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Post by 44 on Feb 16, 2009 19:00:19 GMT 10
The way the comp is at the moment 2 import pitchers on 1 team will dominate BUT reduce the comp to 8 or 10 teams then it's a different story. Honestly, no one believe it is a true A grade comp at the moment . What I expect to see. I expect to see Brisbane baseball in Major A of a certain standard. I do not want to see Pitchers in Major A that I as a 49 YRO washed up player player could hit or steal bases from. GBL in 2009-1010... .. 10 Teams. let us get it on. GBL.......................
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Post by pope on Feb 16, 2009 19:03:13 GMT 10
If GCBA cannot develop a few top pitchers for Mudgy or Surfers each sason drawing players from 7 clubs. Big kick in bottom please. You are not being serious are you? Do you think that those 2 clubs really go out to the other 5 clubs and scout new pitchers......
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Post by snoball on Feb 16, 2009 19:17:25 GMT 10
In a club system, I don't understand how you think that reducing the number of Major League teams will increase quality of play. I guess you're assuming that players from non-Major league teams will move to play for the Major League clubs? Why? I would have thought that in a club system, for the most part, club members will stay with their clubs. Could be that you would gain quality players that would migrate to Major league teams so that they could play Major league, and you might also lose quality players who choose to stay with their club to work to bring them back to the Major league. What criteria are you going to use?
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