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Post by 44 on Mar 21, 2010 17:48:26 GMT 10
GBL Junior prelim finals results copied from Padres website
Teams going through to the Grand Final
U/14 DIV.1 PINE HILLS RANGERS U/16 DIV.1 SURFERS U/20 POOL A REDLANDS U/14 DIV.2 PINE HILLS CUBS U/16 DIV.1 WINDSOR U/20 POOL B INDIANS
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Post by ramsrus on Mar 21, 2010 17:58:20 GMT 10
Good luck to all the juniors next week especially Surfers U16 and U20.
Very good U16 games for the semis on Saturday with Surfers being 1 nil up right up to the bottom of the 6th. Pitchers dual in Surfers v Redlands with great performances from Matty Chapman, Michael Gahan and Brayden Schuler. Three base hit from Kentaro Ueda with a runner on one scored the first run for Surfers. Looking forward to some great games in all age groups next week.
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Post by kozzy on Mar 21, 2010 18:28:02 GMT 10
Major B grade today: after 9 innings windsor and surfers finish 5-5 and the umpires call the game, windsor win and they into the grand final. I think this is pathetic as we all know baseball is played to a result. I mean why did we even bother playing the game then.
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Mar 21, 2010 19:05:28 GMT 10
All in brawl in Pacific B's between Rangers and All-Stars today. Rangers won the fight and the game.
Also apparently Rangers levelled vs Mudgee in A's
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Post by justme on Mar 21, 2010 20:20:53 GMT 10
Hey JRA Qld 2 the score in SQBL A grade was 18 - 11 Padres.
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Post by overit on Mar 21, 2010 20:35:29 GMT 10
well well, so now that its happened in major B will something happen about the rule next year?
its ok in 1 grade but not the other?
here's hoping no team looses next week due to this rule. In jnrs or seniors.
PLAY IT OUT!
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Post by rallymonkey44 on Mar 21, 2010 23:18:08 GMT 10
Yet another week of bumbling and stumbling administration of our great game by BQI.
I feel for any team that is robbed the opportunity for a fair result in the finals by an inept and completely thoughtless rule. To allow a game to have a so called winner and loser when scores are tied is absurd and laughable.
When teams qualify for finals they are traditionally rewarded with a seeding advantage based on where they finished on the ladder of the regular season. The top two teams have the ability to have a double chance. This is their reward for a great season, nothing more.
However, finals are meant to be a clean slate apart from a perceived advantage of seeding. Teams 2, 3 and 4 are given equal opportunity to win the game on merit, but at no time should they be disadvantaged by round robin stats. Baseball is a game of results(not draws), a winner or loser comes from the days play, not the history either teams brings with it from earlier non finals round robins.
If you use the existing disgraceful anomaly set by BQI then the finals are not being played with both teams having the same opportunity, the higher team gets a double advantage not only from seeding, but then the hand up in a so called drawn game. Absolutely ludicrous!!!
This system is a cop out, let the result be a win or lose based on game day performance. Isn't that the beauty and unpredictability of finals baseball, the underdog gets an equal and fair chance on the day. Stats and reputations mean nothing come finals time?... well not if your in a league run by BQI.
Fools asleep at the wheel!! Wake up and start learning from the debacles you have administered over this entire season.
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Post by bobbybillabong on Mar 22, 2010 10:41:00 GMT 10
I think there are two themes here. 1 - Does everyone on the ground (both teams, umpires, scorers) know the conditions under which the game is being played. 2 - How to structure a finals series.
On point 2, there are many ways to do a finals series. There's sudden death (think tennis tournament). There's round robin followed by sudden death (think soccer world cup). There's multiple chances depending on where you place followed by sudden death (think AFL or NRL finals). There's the 'best of <insert odd number>' series (think MLB). And there's probably half a dozen more I haven't thought of.
Each has advantages and disadvantages, in some cases linked to TV rights.
Some allow draws in the preliminary stages, some don't. In codes that allow draws after regulation time some get a result by playing an essentially different game (think penalty shoot out in soccer, think golden point in rugby league).
Perhaps in baseball we have a 'pitch out' to decide the result? Or a 'first safe hit' after x innings? Or a 'catch the fly ball hit out'?
But there are some practical issues to think about in allowing a game to simply continue until there is a result: + the depth of the bullpen (do we have 4 or 5 pitchers to cope with a 15 inning game?) + the effect on subsequent games on the day (is it fair on later games to delay by 1 1/2 hours?) + is it the same style of game as in regular season (if all season we've been playing 2 hour games why should finals be different?)
These are all considerations in deciding how to run a finals series, and I'm guessing that BQ have thought about this, and more, and come up with what they think is best. I doubt that they sat around and said "let's create the worst we can". In fact I'm pretty sure that everyone involved in the game tries to do the best they can on the day.
On point 1 - it does get untidy when parties on the field have different ideas about the game conditions, and this is where clearly written bylaws and rules (that everyone has read!) can help.
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Mar 22, 2010 11:53:43 GMT 10
Do what IBAF sanctioned tournaments have. After 2 hours, or 7 innings, runners are placed on first and second to start the inning. These runners were the last two in the order the previous inning.
If you can't settle it by 9 innings, load the bases.
Don't have any of these 'shootouts' or 'pitch offs' that some other sports have, it's not baseball.
Unfortunately yesterday, the game went to extra time, but had to be called after 9 innings, as per the by-laws, otherwise A-Grade wouldn't have been able to play a complete game before dark.
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Post by bronco on Mar 22, 2010 12:51:13 GMT 10
Horrible way to finish the season but teams must abide by the by-laws. However these rules must change next season. I'd like to see what they do for international games, if tied after 2 hours put a runner on 2nd at the start of each dig.
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Post by overit on Mar 22, 2010 14:18:36 GMT 10
If the international system is adopted for next year, surely this would mean after 2 hrs or 7inngs whatever is the rule, it would only take another 1 or 2 inngs.
I wonder how many the number of games decided by this method and the timeframe taken.
If its good enough for the IBAF surely its good enough for a local league.
Pitchers would get tired, If its a hit fest, then surely someone should be able to score a run. If its a pitching duel, one pitcher will make a mistake. Pressure sorts out the men from the boys.
As per playing finals before it gets dark, this would get solved by having a by law which states, final games are played at grounds with lights.
If extras is required in the 2 previous games, turn the lights on for A grade. A grade play 1/2 the season under lights.
If the c, b games go into extra each, pushing the A grade back, surely thats a press statement showing the depth of QLD baseball and the quality of the competition.
Maybe all clubs should push this idea to BQ in the off season or remeber it for the club meeting at the start of next year.
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Post by rallymonkey44 on Mar 23, 2010 0:23:09 GMT 10
Overit you are spot on in your comments.
The clubs that host the seniors finals series are selected by BQI therefore the administrators of the game have the ability to fix the by laws and make the game work for an equitable contest and result.
If time and darkness is the issue with the current draw rule, then select venues that have lighting to accommodate a late finish and give both teams in all senior grades the ability to play for a result on the day.
To allow clubs to share the benefits associated with canteen revenue from finals play, why not look at those venues without lighting hosting junior events and seniors at venues with lighting.
Additionally, incorporate the runner on 2nd base for extra innings as well to help the time constraint issue.
Bottom line is the current rule is a cop out by administrators who won't or are to lazy to fully explore whats best for the game and the players who pay to participate in it.
It has taken passionate supporters of the game less than 24hrs in this forum to come up with some excellent suggestions to more than overcome the by law in question and get a level playing field for all teams in finals baseball. How is it then that the paid administrators of our game continue to get the management of this game so wrong?
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Post by nuke on Mar 23, 2010 14:08:35 GMT 10
Good luck to Padres and Wests tonight. Hope the weather holds off long enough for the game tonight. Should be a good one.
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Post by 44 on Mar 23, 2010 15:58:29 GMT 10
Good luck to Padres and Wests tonight. Hope the weather holds off long enough for the game tonight. Should be a good one. For sure Nuke. good luck to both teams. I have no dog left in the fight but may watch the Winner V Windsor Friday Night... Looking forward to the MAJOR A GF Series and some good baseball.
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Post by scorekeeper on Mar 23, 2010 18:18:28 GMT 10
Horrible way to finish the season but teams must abide by the by-laws. However these rules must change next season. I'd like to see what they do for international games, if tied after 2 hours put a runner on 2nd at the start of each dig. Just to clarify the international tie-break rule: In IBAF the rule is after 10 innings with the score still tied both managers get to "re-set" their batting lineups. The batting orders must remain the same but if #6 was due up at top of the 11th, then the manager is allowed to re-set the lineup so that #3 is up and #1 is on 2nd and #2 is on first. #4 would follow, and so on. This is allowed only once to start the 11th inning, and from then on the teams must stick to the set order. They cannot move batter #2 to #4's spot or anything like that, it's just a re-set of the starting batter for the 11th inning. This then makes that inning the likely one to get the runs, if they can play it right. If they go to 12th, etc, then the baserunners at 1st and 2nd are the ones immediately preceeding the proper batter in the lineup. I also believe the two managers must have a plate meeting at the start of the 11th to declare their "re-sets". Don't confuse this rule with the Softball international tie-break rule where a runner is placed at 2nd base only and there is no re-setting of the lineup. And also, don't confuse this with the rule in place for the Claxton Shield 09/10 season, which was a hybrid of the two. They had runners placed on 1st & 2nd, but there was no reset of the lineup at the 11th. Personally, I like the re-set idea IBAF uses as it would probably bring about a result sooner, which is the whole point of the exercise.
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