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Post by JRA Qld2 on Dec 22, 2009 21:41:39 GMT 10
It's too hard to fit in with an extended Claxton Shield season
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Post by david73 on Dec 22, 2009 21:51:38 GMT 10
So club players get screwed over by elite players? They can't have a friday night game and then play reg games 2 on sundy
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Dec 22, 2009 22:00:11 GMT 10
It'd be a pretty shabby game, the best club players are playing Clacko and many more would make themselves unavailable so that their clubs can have them fresh for Sunday.
The weekend of the U23 State Titles could perhaps be a good weekend for it since there is a bye for all Major A/B games. Claxton Shield will be finished by then as well.
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Post by snoball on Dec 22, 2009 22:35:06 GMT 10
To ensure that club players are rewarded for their participation in the season how about, for the Senior All Star game --
Pacific vs Major League
Squad of 24 with at least one from each club. To be eligible, position players must have a minimum of 50 ab's over the season, pitchers minimum of 10 appearances. Players selected by coaches at a selection meeting at least 2 weeks before the game. If club coach is unavailable to attend meeting, submit club's All Star selection or send a representative to meeting. If no rep from club attends, then those in attendance will make selections for that club.
Coaches for the squad to be the coaches of the first place team in each league at time of selection of players.
Squads to wear club uniform, All star hats supplied by BQI.
Admission -- free.
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Post by unknown on Dec 22, 2009 23:34:45 GMT 10
Before you guys keep on (and on and on) with the whole issue about why certain players were not on the field last weekend, there were players either omitted or benched last weekend for disiplinary reasons after the Perth Series. Personally, I have to applaud the RAMS staff for finally making a solid decision regarding player personel and maybe showing these guys this isn't given to them on a silver platter....
I have no problem with people pointing out the apparent flaws / issues with the RAMS and other things, (everyone can be a closet expert) but make sure you have your facts straight before you go on your rant. I know I have had my say on certain things here, but at least I have done my research before I begin...
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Post by wilderness on Dec 23, 2009 8:55:41 GMT 10
Seems to me there are two separate lines of discussion happening on this thread. One is all about who should or should not be in the team, and I'm not getting into that.
The other line is all about what can be done to bring in bigger crowds. Here are a few points that hopefully might spark some useful lines of discussion.
1) if you keep on doing the same things, you will keep on getting the same results. The start of the ABL is a nice neat break-point to maybe try a couple of NEW ideas. It's ok to have some fun or goofy things introduced to the crowd that will eventually become uniquly Qld-er. If you've ever been to a game in Japan you'll see some goofy things going on over there but importantly, the whole crowd is doing it and really getting into it. They have these plastic megaphones (like hollow platic cones) and they shout through them and bang on them when the game starts to get tight. I've also seen a "Mugs-gallery" of all the people in the crowd that caught a foul ball in the previous game posted in their web-site (people like to see pictures of themselves). There must be a bunch of folks out there that have also seen stuff like this then they went overseas and all you need to do is ask and get some ideas flowing.
2) Baseball is a numbers game and so is pulling a crowd. I realise there are people out there that won't come to a game because their favourite player is not playing the infield that day, but in a big crowd, you will always get a few people that will stay away for this reason. You can't make decisions based on the minority!! One thing's for sure, if you want more people to come to the game (and we want a lot more people to come to the game) you need to appeal to the larger masses out there that haven't yet ventured through the gates and give them a reason to come.
3) The cost of watching a game is pretty cheap already, when you put it up against anything else you can do with your kids. Try buying a game for their PS3 ($50 - $90), take them bowling ($60 for a few games with a family of 4) go watch the Bronco's play ($120 for a night with a family of 4). I doubt that reducing a ticket from $5 to $2 will attract any new people to the game, all it will do is let the people who were going to pay $5 get a $3 discount. The point here is that we need NEW people to come to the game.
4) In the end, NEW people would come to the game to be entertained! Make it entertaining! All the sound effects that go on as the players are stepping up to the plate are just what you need. Seeing Ronnie getting chased by a bunch of kids is also great, not just for the kids but for their parents too. My 10 yr old listed "Chasing Ronnie" and "Getting Free Stuff From Ronnie" as two of the best things about Saturday night's game. From a 10 yr olds point of view, he finds this entertaining.
5) Lastly, you need to appeal to the local residents and the home ground club.
I'm not trying to be controversial and so before you take what I've said out of context, at least consider that I'm only putting this forward to get NEW people to the game and to boost the crowd numbers. Maybe there are some better ideas out there so let's have them.
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Post by george on Dec 23, 2009 9:51:25 GMT 10
see thats the point you have guys that are signed who are hitting a buck 90 overseas, and they get picked straight away and then you have guys that are sitting on the bench with better hitting number's here and can field the outfield better? no sence to me I hope I am misinterpreting this the wrong way but are we comparing stats in professional baseball to stats in our local club comp? Most Australians or any other player for that matter struggle to hit above 250 in professional baseball. On this reasoning should we have an all amateur or club ball team playing Claxton Shield?
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Post by snoochies on Dec 23, 2009 10:21:36 GMT 10
Back in the ABL days it seemed as if there was a huge difference between the quality in an A Grade game and ABL. Is that still the case now? Is the quality of the Claxton Shield far superior than the A Grade or could the current A-Graders compete with the Claxton team. When someone like Ron Johnson or Adrian Meagher came back to play club ball, pitchers and batters alike sh*t themselves. Thats the kind of respect and legacy these players had but I'm not sure our current breed of players have that X factor. I'm not saying that it's their fault but for a National competition to be successful, you want to have that kind of respect and a feeling that you are going to watch an event that is on another level or far superior in my opinion. I guess this will happen over time when the Pros just play in the ABL and not club ball. People in my opinion turn up and want to watch a quality game, I personally don't care too much for gimmicks.
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Post by wilderness on Dec 23, 2009 10:34:41 GMT 10
Like I keep on saying, if you keep on doing the same old things, the same old things will keep on happening. If you are happy with the current crowd levels and you like the type of poeple that currently come to the games, then just keep everything the same. If you would like more people to come to the games, then you will need to try something different. Maybe there are better ideas out there than my gimmicks, and since this is a public forum, it would be a good place to hear someone else's ideas. Alternatively, if the whole crowd would like things to stay the same, then maybe everyone needs to put up some posts that says this, and I'll stop putting up my suggestions.
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Post by ridethepine on Dec 23, 2009 11:22:03 GMT 10
Back in the ABL days it seemed as if there was a huge difference between the quality in an A Grade game and ABL. Is that still the case now? Is the quality of the Claxton Shield far superior than the A Grade or could the current A-Graders compete with the Claxton team. When someone like Ron Johnson or Adrian Meagher came back to play club ball, pitchers and batters alike sh*t themselves. Thats the kind of respect and legacy these players had but I'm not sure our current breed of players have that X factor. I'm not saying that it's their fault but for a National competition to be successful, you want to have that kind of respect and a feeling that you are going to watch an event that is on another level or far superior in my opinion. I guess this will happen over time when the Pros just play in the ABL and not club ball. People in my opinion turn up and want to watch a quality game, I personally don't care too much for gimmicks. There is much difference. The current Claxton Shield pitchers don't dominate A grade games like they should. If anything they only keep the games close. In saying that, why would i want to go pay and watch a team of players that i play every weekend and can match most weekends. I'd rather play my 350 bucks fees or whatever your fees are n play against them on a friday night or sunday or watch them play A grade on a friday or sunday. The current local competition needs to be changed if you want to accomodate the claxton shield at the same time. We play a season of 6 months or whatever it is and thats 6 months of weekends i have to give up travelling the country side and giving up any type of social life i want to have. So why would i want to give up my only friday night off to go and watch a game full of people i play every weekend, I know im not about to. Then again im not going to watch a Saturday game either as ill probably have to get up early and drive somewhere to play a double header in 32+ degree heat. I'm not going to waste more money on petrol, admission, fees, food and waht other expenses there are at the field when i spent 100's of dollars on the same stuff each season. That's just my opinion. It's just a joke.
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Post by wildpitch23 on Dec 23, 2009 11:46:18 GMT 10
Poor rtp....having to donate so much time to playing the sport of your choice and having to pay to do it, too!!!!
Sounds like you're not that enthusiastic about the sport to start with. As for Saturdays....many of us are already getting up early and driving to games played in 32 degree heat as we are involved with junior baseball (that's on Saturdays BTW).
You have suggested that the current local competition needs to be changed to accomodate the Claxton Shield but have not said how. I am interested to hear your solutions.
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Post by snoball on Dec 23, 2009 11:48:03 GMT 10
I agree with Pine. I think, overall, that the quality of A grade in Queensland has gone down. There isn't much difference in the Claxton shield team and an A grade composite team -- except, perhaps, A grade coaches are making better coaching decisions. Only 2 or 3 Shield players figure in the top 10 of any individual stat. So, it's not like these players are dominating the league.
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Post by ridethepine on Dec 23, 2009 11:54:34 GMT 10
Poor rtp....having to donate so much time to playing the sport of your choice and having to pay to do it, too!!!! Sounds like you're not that enthusiastic about the sport to start with. As for Saturdays....many of us are already getting up early and driving to games played in 32 degree heat as we are involved with junior baseball (that's on Saturdays BTW). You have suggested that the current local competition needs to be changed to accomodate the Claxton Shield but have not said how. I am interested to hear your solutions. Yeh i also use to get up at 6 am to go and coach a team. I like baseball but im not in love with it. I don't live baseball, i choose to play because i play with good mates and because it can be fun. If you love baseball and love being at the field 24/7 7 days week thats great but not everyone is like you, you have your opinion and i have mine. And its not my job to come up with ways of fixing these problems, i think thats why Baseball qld employs people. That's there job. If it was up to me to come up with solution i hope QLD basbeall can afford to pay me wages.
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Post by wildpitch23 on Dec 23, 2009 12:08:01 GMT 10
Hey rtp... not disputing your opinion and I'm glad to hear that you have put back into the sport as many haven't. Just sounded like you really weren't enjoying it .....wrong take on your post, probably.
Sure, you're not being paid to come up with solutions but that it what the forum is about, isn't it...to come up with ideas not just negative comments. Baseball Qld doesn't employ people to come up with ideas about the ABL either. That is a separate organisation and staff.
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Post by ridethepine on Dec 23, 2009 12:28:00 GMT 10
Not all problems have solutions. I was just stating my opinion from my point of view. If your going to introduce another league into this state/country you might have to think about changing the minor leagues first.
I was just saying not all people love being at baseball their whole weekend. Most people have other more important things to take care of before they even think about going out to support there national team. At the moment you barely get people staying around to support their local team. Most supporters are family members.
Everything is just jammed into so little time. If you want people to give up there time to support a national team your going to have to cut back on the amount of time people spend at their own games. Perhaps that means only playing having one senior game a weekend that way people have time to do other things besides baseball freeing up for time for you to go and watch a game.
Just on that note the team needs to start winning games as well. Perhaps that means changing the team around. Just because a young kid 17/18/19 is signed doesnt mean they should be in the team i don't care if they throw 90+ miles are hour. I'd rather see a vertern A grader 24/25/26 or even older playing because they have experience. They have worked hard to keep playing and keep working on things and i think they deserve a go after all its these guys that the young signed players look up to and learn off every weekend. It's not often you are seeing these young guys carry a team through a weekend. Its the older guys that step up and i think they should deserve a chance after all without them you wouldnt have a league in the first place. but yeh my opinion again i have no idea if that makes sense but yeh haha i gave it ago
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