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Post by madmax on Oct 5, 2009 11:07:04 GMT 10
that would only last one season. when BQI bite the bullet and lock in teams to major or pacific for the next few years, the top players will switch to the major clubs to play ball at the highest level.
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Post by puff on Oct 5, 2009 16:42:47 GMT 10
With all the talk of criteria, is there anywhere on the BQI website where it can be found?
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Post by Ryn on Oct 5, 2009 18:35:25 GMT 10
With all the talk of criteria, is there anywhere on the BQI website where it can be found? I don't think it's on the site, but this is what was sent out earlier in the year.... □ 27 Senior registered players (not including U18’s) □ 60 Junior registered players □ Must enter a minimum of one team in the GBL U14, U16 and U20 competitions; together with a minimum of one team in each of Little League, U8 and U10. □ All Clubs must comply with the Baseball Queensland Ground Evaluation. (Form E) □ All Clubs to appoint a minimum of one level 1 accredited coach to each team: LL, U14, U16, U20 and all senior teams by September 1st 2009. □ All Clubs to have a range of umpiring equipment as prescribed by Baseball Queensland for use at their venue. □ Each Club to supply at least a QBUA trained umpire for each level of competition. Umpires to be identified by the gold shirt supplied by BQ and must be worn to officiate at any game where a blue shirted accredited umpire is not allocated by the QBUA. □ Mandatory attendance at any Pre – Season Tournament. □ All Clubs to appoint Grounds Coordinator, Director of Umpires, Director of Coaching, Government Grants Coordinator and Ground Marshall. □ All lit facilities to provide Baseball Queensland with a detailed measurement of their lux readings by September 1st 2009. □ All lit facilities to have a uniform cost for night games. □ All host facilities to provide time for a one hour game before each night game □ Each Club to provide a minimum 3 year operation plan. □ Each Club to commit to the BQ “Batter Up” recruitment program. □ All Clubs to submit their form “N” and affiliation request letter by August 31st 2009.
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Post by ramsrus on Oct 6, 2009 12:33:58 GMT 10
Haven't looked at the BQI website, but according to ryn's list, scorers are not mandatory for games. Good luck with that!
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Post by Ryn on Oct 8, 2009 11:26:50 GMT 10
Haven't looked at the BQI website, but according to ryn's list, scorers are not mandatory for games. Good luck with that! On a functional level, naturally scorer's would be required for each game. But doesn't look like that has any bearing on criteria.
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Post by snoochies on Oct 8, 2009 12:02:39 GMT 10
So in reality, every single club could be playing in the pacific comp and no-one in the majors regardless of how well they play.
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Post by ramsrus on Oct 8, 2009 14:17:09 GMT 10
Ryn you are right, it doesn't look like scorers have any bearing on criteria. This surprises me as last season the scorer's association rule was that an A grade scorer had to be a level 2 scorer. There was also criteria for scorers at other levels. It has long been the opinion of a number of highly qaulified scorers that they are an afterthought, so I smiled when I read that "functionally" scorers are required. Players and umpires are a necessity and scorers are functional? I wonder who makes sure the score is recorded accurately, who the umpire asks when he hasn't got the count right, who fills in and submits the game card so that accurate records can be kept and who provides the information in order for trophies to be awarded and statisitics to be kept?
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Post by oldmate on Oct 10, 2009 7:07:09 GMT 10
By-law 3.19 Major League and Pacific League A Grade scorers must be accredited to at least National level 2 standard. If a team is unable to provide a National level 2 accredited scorer, then BQ may appoint a properly accredited scorer to the team and invoice the club for the service.
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Post by Ryn on Oct 16, 2009 15:25:46 GMT 10
Ryn you are right, it doesn't look like scorers have any bearing on criteria. This surprises me as last season the scorer's association rule was that an A grade scorer had to be a level 2 scorer. There was also criteria for scorers at other levels. It has long been the opinion of a number of highly qaulified scorers that they are an afterthought, so I smiled when I read that "functionally" scorers are required. Players and umpires are a necessity and scorers are functional? I wonder who makes sure the score is recorded accurately, who the umpire asks when he hasn't got the count right, who fills in and submits the game card so that accurate records can be kept and who provides the information in order for trophies to be awarded and statisitics to be kept? It's all done by memory, of course. I agree with you here though. They do seem to be an afterthought and underecognised.
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Post by snoball on Oct 17, 2009 17:48:16 GMT 10
I think they do a great job, but we shouldn't be too concerned about their Level of accreditation. Anyone with basic knowledge of the game can score and keep stats. We make too much of a deal about Levels of scorers, umpires and coaches.
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Post by madmax on Oct 17, 2009 19:46:05 GMT 10
spot on! from what I have seen over the last 2 seasons, the coaching/scoring/umpiring duties have fallen to a select few (who have the required "levels") at all the clubs who have to do these jobs week-in, week-out.
unfortunately (like all overburdened volunteers), it is only a matter of time until these people get burned out and give up.
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Post by T on Oct 18, 2009 21:40:55 GMT 10
Looks like Wests, PH and Windsor have the magic 8 wins.
back to assignments
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Post by 44 on Oct 19, 2009 14:26:47 GMT 10
After RND 11, It seems the current Top 5 mathematically are in the 8 so far:
Windsor Pine Hills Wests Surfers Indians
Of the remaining 10 Teams, I believe only Carina has now been eliminated mathematically leaving 9 for the last 3 spots.
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Post by bronco on Oct 19, 2009 15:21:12 GMT 10
Padres v Rapids tomorrow night at Pine Rivers. Huge game for both clubs.
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Post by scorekeeper on Oct 19, 2009 15:25:29 GMT 10
I think they do a great job, but we shouldn't be too concerned about their Level of accreditation. Anyone with basic knowledge of the game can score and keep stats. We make too much of a deal about Levels of scorers, umpires and coaches. I thank you and others for recognising the important role the official scorer plays in baseball, but I feel I must respond to the rest of your statement. As imperfect as the system of accreditation is, it is currently the best way available to our league to verify that someone who has a crucial impact on the game and players is up to the task. I agree that anyone with a basic knowledge of the game can score it and keep stats, but I would have big concerns with the validity of their stats if they haven't got a complete understanding of Rule 10 (the scoring rules) - and that's what is tested in accreditation exams. Even very experienced scorers can get confused with earned and unearned runs, for example, if there are extra-base errors, pitcher changes with inherited runners, fielder's choice plays, etc. There are many more examples that could be given, but if you want to compare player A's stats with player B's, then you want to know the rules have been applied correctly for both, or it's going to be apples vs oranges. Of course, the judgment of a scorer is another extremely important factor, and experience is one of the best ways to improve judgment. It would be so good to have more experienced players and umpires take up learning the scoring rules and getting their accreditation. As to criteria for major league clubs - an official scorer is actually an official representative of the league, so I would expect that if a club is without a volunteer of the appropriate accreditation level it would not impact on them fulfilling the major league criteria - they would just have to pay the league for someone from outside that club to do the job.
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