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Post by JRA Qld2 on Aug 2, 2009 20:13:11 GMT 10
So if a fan yells out 'DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARYL' right before he catches it and he gets psyched out, would you call that a hit? haha ;D
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Post by 17starter on Aug 2, 2009 21:11:10 GMT 10
Ramsfan, Mental mistakes, that is what i was looking for. Now i know the rule i can build that bridge. Now Mr Puff, last year, after our main guys from the minor premiership the year before moved on, most of our young guys were and are QLD 18s and 23s and were in and out of the team so it was different every week. This year is back to some older bigger guys so the team should be more consistent this year. Aaron thompson and Jared Bruce are both touching 90 and Josh Warner is not far behind them. I think the first part of this season will be a coaches battle. Ramsfan...You'll get your chance one day with me on the hill and you on the mike. I figure we'll travel there in the next 4 or 5 more years ... Love a challenge..LOL.
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Post by 44 on Aug 3, 2009 20:55:26 GMT 10
Mudgy at home V Pine Hills 27 Sep 2:00 PM . Wish it was at PH 17,, I could have given it to you from the home commentary booth when you are on the mound.. LOL ;D ;D Go od Luck with your upcoming season 17.. I have Mudgy pencilled in for the 8. Are you commentating both the A and B grade games this year Ramsfan??? ;D ;D Going way OT here Puff, but I will commentate any grade like they are all MLB players. I remember an U10 PH kid last season on a Friday Night would not step into the batters box until I announced him.. When I did, He then strutted into the batter's Box like he was Manny Ramirez.... It was Pure GOLD...........
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Post by scorekeeper on Aug 24, 2009 12:43:00 GMT 10
Example: High pop up hit to infield between 3rd and short , both camp underneath and then watch each other as the ball hits the ground, same with 2nd and right field. 2nd camps underneath then right says mine but stops 2 steps short and watches it drop .. Both simple plays, but both scored as hits....? I wanted to reply to this thread, even if it goes unnoticed since it's been inactive for awhile. There are lots of misconceptions around about what is to be judged an error and what cannot be judged an error - but the most important element after observation of the play and knowledge of the skill level found ordinarily at the grade of game being played is the application of the official rules. The standard called for in the official rules is "ordinary effort" (not "normal" effort - semantics, yes, but it's important to use the right terminology if you're going to argue a case). An interesting note here about the Official Australian Baseball Rules 5th Edition Revised: the definition of "Ordinary Effort" was added to the OBR in 2007 by the MLB rules committee, and yet ABF left it out of our rulebook when they adopted all of the rule changes for the 5th edition. The definition of "Ordinary Effort" in Rule 2.00 of the OBR : "is the effort that a fielder of average skill at a position in that league or classification of leagues should exhibit on a play, with due consideration given to the condition of the field and weather conditions. Comment: This standard, called for several times in the Official Scoring Rules (eg, Rules 10.05 (Base Hits); 10.08 (Sacrifices); 10.12 (Errors); and 10.13 (Wild Pitches and Passed Balls)) and in the Official Baseball Rules (eg, Rule 2.00 (Infield Fly)), is an objective standard in regard to any particular fielder. In other words, even if a fielder makes his best effort, if that effort falls short of what an average fielder at that position in that league would have made in a situation, the official scorer should charge that fielder with an error." (I've abbreviated some rule reference numbers here - the entire text can be found at mlb.mlb.com) Interesting the "weather conditions" are mentioned - this could be wind or rain - but may also be direct bright sun (in the eyes). There is more in the text of Rule 10 (which is included in the Aust edition) that gives guidance about judging ordinary effort. In Rule 10.05 (Hits): Rule 10.05(a)(2) Comment: The official scorer shall credit a hit if the fielder attempting to handle the ball cannot make a play, even if such fielder deflects the ball from or cuts off another fielder who could have put out a runner. Rule 10.05(a) Comment: In applying rule 10.05(a), the official scorer shall always give the batter the benefit of the doubt. A safe course for the official scorer to follow is to score a hit when exceptionally good fielding of a ball fails to result in a putout.In Rule 10.12 (Errors): Rule 10.12(a)(1) Comment: Slow handling of the ball that does not involve mechanical misplay shall not be construed as an error. For example, the official scorer shall not charge a fielder with an error if such fielder fields a ground ball cleanly but does not throw to first base in time to retire the batter. It is not necessary that the fielder touch the ball to be charged with an error. If a ground ball goes through a fielder's legs or a fly ball falls untouched and, in the scorer's judgment, the fielder could have handled the ball with ordinary effort, the official scorer shall charge such fielder with an error. For example, the official scorer shall charge an infielder with an error when a ground ball passes to either side of such infielder if, in the official scorer's judgment, a fielder at that position making ordinary effort would have fielded such a ground ball and retired a runner. The official scorer shall charge an outfielder with an error if such outfielder allows a fly ball to drop to the ground if, in the official scorer's judgment, an outfielder at that position making ordinary effort would have caught such fly ball. If a throw is low, wide or high, or strikes the ground, and a runner reaches base who otherwise would have been put out by such throw, the offical scorer shall charge the player making the throw with an error.
The official scorer shall not score mental mistakes or misjudgments as errors unless a specific rule prescribes otherwise. A fielder's mental mistake that leads to a physical misplay - such as rolling the ball into the stands or rolling the ball to the pitcher's mound, mistakenly believing there to be three outs, and thereby allowing a runner or runners to advance - shall not be considered a mental mistake for purposes of this rule and the official scorer shall charge a fielder committing such a mistake with an error.
the official scorer shall not charge an error if the pitcher fails to cover first base on a play, thereby allowing a batter-runner to reach first base safely. The official scorer shall not charge an error to a fielder who incorrectly throws to the wrong base on a play.
The official scorer shall charge an error to a fielder who causes another fielder to misplay a ball - for example, by knocking the ball out of the other fielder's glove. On such a play, when the official scorer charges an error to the interfering fielder, the official scorer shall not charge an error to the fielder with whom the other fielder interfered. In the first play described above it would be difficult to score the error in the first place as an E must be attributed to someone, but it isn't impossible. The play needs to be watched very carefully to see if the ball was dropping right down on one fielder, but from the description given it seems to me the ball was between 2 fielders - who both might have had a play at it - but this was probably a case of "misjudgment" on both fielder's parts, each allowing the other guy to make the play, and neither did, so a hit is correctly scored. In the second play the error is easy to attribute, if it is judged to be an error. The right fielder called off the second base fielder, so he's now responsible for fielding the ball. But if he couldn't get there with ordinary effort, it sounds again like "misjudgment" more than error. It's tough luck for the pitcher, but then sometimes batters get tough luck too. How about when, with less than 2 out a deep drive is hit out to RF but the runner at first holds up - misjudging that a catch is imminent - and then when no catch is made he's too slow to reach 2nd base and is thrown out 9-6. That beautiful "hit" by the batter must now be scored as a Fielders Choice in compliance with the OBR (10.05(b)). The lesson here is that what something looks like is not always how it is scored.
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Post by T on Sept 2, 2009 19:51:25 GMT 10
so yeah. That's how the rule is interpreted
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