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Post by 17starter on Aug 1, 2009 20:03:12 GMT 10
Example:
High pop up hit to infield between 3rd and short , both camp underneath and then watch each other as the ball hits the ground, same with 2nd and right field. 2nd camps underneath then right says mine but stops 2 steps short and watches it drop ..
Both simple plays, but both scored as hits....?
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Post by 44 on Aug 1, 2009 23:18:54 GMT 10
Example: High pop up hit to infield between 3rd and short , both camp underneath and then watch each other as the ball hits the ground, same with 2nd and right field. 2nd camps underneath then right says mine but stops 2 steps short and watches it drop .. Both simple plays, but both scored as hits....? 17, Were these incidents in an U10 or LL Minors game ?  Pitchers nightmare it seems...... I am no scorer, but I'd say no attempt to field = no error. Which Fielder does the Error go to in both cases?? F5 or F6 ? F4 or F9 ? |
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Post by puff on Aug 2, 2009 7:52:15 GMT 10
Wouldn.t this be called a muffed fly to whichever fielder should have caught the ball. It has to be an error on someone, a pop up to the infield cant be a base hit.
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Post by 17starter on Aug 2, 2009 14:25:23 GMT 10
Ramsfan i wish it was u10 , but it was my A grade boys yesterday. Cost me .57 points on my ERA. You know how i feel about my ERA..O/T..How are the lightning shaping up? Hope we get to match up..
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Post by 17starter on Aug 2, 2009 14:29:08 GMT 10
Puff,
Hits were credited to 5 and 4 respectively
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Post by T on Aug 2, 2009 15:23:52 GMT 10
Which Fielder does the Error go to in both cases?? F5 or F6 ? F4 or F9 ? Nobody, because it isn't an error. |
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Post by puff on Aug 2, 2009 15:59:24 GMT 10
Wouldn.t this be called a muffed fly to whichever fielder should have caught the ball. It has to be an error on someone, a pop up to the infield cant be a base hit. A muffed fly is a ball that a fielder can catch with normal effort, but for whatever reason bangs off his glove. If he completely misses it is a hit. If he completely misses it, it is a hit? I dont know what the score book says but it isn't a hit. What about on a ground ball under the glove, this is an error but the fielder doesnt touch it. If a fielder can catch the ball with normal effort and doesn't, then it should be called an error. Rule c.s. (common sense) |
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Post by 17starter on Aug 2, 2009 16:34:05 GMT 10
Would it be a case of scorer discretion. Say for example any routine play missed in A grade is an error and B and C not treated as harshly( things like super high pop ups and drilled line drives will be missed by lower grades but in A they shouldn,t be). In the first play quoted above the sstop should be given the error as he controls the infield.
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Post by T on Aug 2, 2009 17:07:18 GMT 10
A muffed fly is a ball that a fielder can catch with normal effort, but for whatever reason bangs off his glove. If he completely misses it is a hit. If he completely misses it, it is a hit? I dont know what the score book says but it isn't a hit. What about on a ground ball under the glove, this is an error but the fielder doesnt touch it. If a fielder can catch the ball with normal effort and doesn't, then it should be called an error. Rule c.s. (common sense) If it's not an error, hit or fielder's choice then what is it? In 2007 Prince Fielder hit an inside-the-park homerun at the Metrodome on a routine pop-fly to centre. The centre fielder lost it under the roof, it dropped maybe 5 metres from him and by the time he got the ball in Fielder had scored. No error on the play sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=270617109 |
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Post by puff on Aug 2, 2009 17:40:55 GMT 10
If a fielder can catch the ball with normal effort it would be ruled an error, but in the case of losing the ball in the sun or in the roof at an indoor field this would be ruled a hit. I think the key here is "with normal effort." Outside influences like the sun,indoor roof, or even wind would change normal effort.
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Post by 44 on Aug 2, 2009 17:54:35 GMT 10
If a fielder can catch the ball with normal effort it would be ruled an error, but in the case of losing the ball in the sun or in the roof at an indoor field this would be ruled a hit. I think the key here is "with normal effort." Outside influences like the sun,indoor roof, or even wind would change normal effort. I'd like to see some of the experienced scorers that read the forum comment on this. But ABF and MLB Rule 10.12 (a) clearly States that "mental mistakes" shall not be scored an Error. I wont bore you with copy+paste, but here is the Link to read. mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/official_scorer_10.jspI do not believe the OP by 17 can be called Errors by rule 10.12, should they be Hits?? I'd say morally not Hits, but it must be called something in the scorebook?? |
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Post by 44 on Aug 2, 2009 18:16:58 GMT 10
Ramsfan i wish it was u10 , but it was my A grade boys yesterday. Cost me .57 points on my ERA. You know how i feel about my ERA..O/T..How are the lightning shaping up? Hope we get to match up.. Mudgy at home V Pine Hills 27 Sep 2:00 PM . Wish it was at PH 17,, I could have given it to you from the home commentary booth when you are on the mound.. LOL ;D ;D Good Luck with your upcoming season 17.. I have Mudgy pencilled in for the 8. |
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Post by T on Aug 2, 2009 18:58:52 GMT 10
Outside influences like the sun,indoor roof, or even wind would change normal effort. So if a fan yells out 'DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARYL' right before he catches it and he gets psyched out, would you call that a hit? |
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Post by puff on Aug 2, 2009 19:45:55 GMT 10
Ramsfan i wish it was u10 , but it was my A grade boys yesterday. Cost me .57 points on my ERA. You know how i feel about my ERA..O/T..How are the lightning shaping up? Hope we get to match up.. Mudgy at home V Pine Hills 27 Sep 2:00 PM . Wish it was at PH 17,, I could have given it to you from the home commentary booth when you are on the mound.. LOL ;D ;D Go od Luck with your upcoming season 17.. I have Mudgy pencilled in for the 8. Are you commentating both the A and B grade games this year Ramsfan??? ;D ;D |
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Post by puff on Aug 2, 2009 19:52:37 GMT 10
17, how are the mighty Mudgee looking this year?? I tipped you to win it all last year and you finished out of the top 8. Any insights as to what happened??
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