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Post by QBUA on Jun 8, 2009 13:06:24 GMT 10
For those who are not experienced accredited working umpires. We all know the Rules? Which one do we go with?
Play scenario: below are all in the one continuous play in sequence from 1 to 5. Loaded bases, no outs.
1. Pitcher BALKS (No Stop), Pitcher continues to pitch, ball is still in play.
2. The BATTER swings, the catchers Interferes with the batters swing, CATCHERS INTERFERENCE is called, ball still in play.
3. The Batter hits an INFIELD FLY, INFIELD FLY CALLED, Ball is still in play.
4. The BALL falls and hits the RUNNER STANDING ON 2ND, the ball has not been touched by any fielder.
5. All RUNNERS stay on thier bases, the BATTER after hearing the infield fly call and only running half way to 1st base, heads to the dugout.
MAKE THE CALL and WHY. Remember, you will have to explain it to one or both the managers.
1. Who is OUT. 2. place the BATTER only.
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Post by kylebyrne on Jun 8, 2009 15:54:51 GMT 10
Oh... i like this question.. will eb interesting to see answers...
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Post by puff on Jun 8, 2009 17:53:35 GMT 10
The batter is awarded 1st base on catchers interference and runner from 3b scores, no one is ruled out. The batter has the option to swing at the balked pitch and take the best result which in this case would be catchers interference. Once there is catchers interfernce the ball is dead so no baserunner is out.
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Post by QBUA on Jun 8, 2009 19:01:11 GMT 10
The ball is not automatically DEAD on catchers interference.
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Post by QBUA on Jun 8, 2009 19:04:26 GMT 10
Oh... i like this question.. will eb interesting to see answers... Kyle, if you remember, this is very similar to the play we had to pick through at the Australian Umpires Camp in Adelaide 2003. ps: Robbo's on his feet now, seen him on Sunday at LL.
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Jun 8, 2009 23:10:21 GMT 10
8.05 (m) PENALTY: The ball is dead, and each runner shall advance one base without liability to be put out, unless the batter reaches first on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, in which case the play proceeds without reference to the balk.
Please note the rule says 'or otherwise' which insinuates any way getting to first legally. This includes interference 6.08 (c) The catcher or any fielder interferes with him. If a play follows the interference, the manager of the offense may advise the plate umpire that he elects to decline the interference penalty and accept the play. Such election shall be made immediately at the end of the play. However, if the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batsman, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, the play proceeds without reference to the interference
The following plays 3, 4 and 5, do not satisfy the play to stand after the catchers interference.
Therefore the batter is awarded 1st base with all other runners advanced one base.
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Post by kylebyrne on Jun 9, 2009 15:11:40 GMT 10
Yeah i remeber this play, it was also discussed in depth at the Jim Evans Academy i went to in 2005 and also with PBUC... So far i havent seen the right answer guys...
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Post by 44 on Jun 9, 2009 15:20:40 GMT 10
2.44 B. The ball was hit after the CI so still in play.
Runner on base hit by batted ball is not out.
1. Who is OUT. (batter IFF) 2. place the BATTER only. ( in the dugout)
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Post by kylebyrne on Jun 9, 2009 16:16:51 GMT 10
I knew it might take a while to see the right answer come through... Looks like we will have to wait longer...
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Jun 9, 2009 19:06:18 GMT 10
However, if the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batsman, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, the play proceeds without reference to the interference
This did not happen, so the play cannot be continued beyond the interference one would believe, which voids the balk. This is incorrect?
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Post by williemays_hays on Jun 9, 2009 21:09:16 GMT 10
Are you kidding? Seriously, when in the history of baseball, at any level anywhere, have even 3 of these occured on the same play? Maybe we should focus on getting balls & strikes, out and safe, and some of the basic hand signs (i.e. which is safe and which is out) right first, then move onto nonsense that will never ever ever happen.
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Post by QBUA on Jun 9, 2009 21:45:55 GMT 10
Are you kidding? Seriously, when in the history of baseball, at any level anywhere, have even 3 of these occured on the same play? Maybe we should focus on getting balls & strikes, out and safe, and some of the basic hand signs (i.e. which is safe and which is out) right first, then move onto nonsense that will never ever ever happen. Hitdog, I'm not sure if you understand what we are doing here. This one is for you. Runner at 1st base, 1 out. Batter hits a ground ball to shortstop, shortstop throws the ball to the 2nd baseman, gets the out at 2nd, the batter reaches 1st base before the 2nd baseman releases the ball in the throw to 1st for the back end of the double, the ball is thrown out of play. Place the runner from 1st and place the batter. Explain why please. Guesses are easy.
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Post by QBUA on Jun 9, 2009 21:49:37 GMT 10
However, if the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batsman, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, the play proceeds without reference to the interferenceThis did not happen, so the play cannot be continued beyond the interference one would believe, which voids the balk. This is incorrect? JRA, what is incorrect.
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Post by williemays_hays on Jun 9, 2009 22:09:26 GMT 10
What games are you watching? The batter reaches firstbase before the second baseman can make a throw? Why would he throw the ball to 1st if the batter has already made it? And how did they get the lead runner at second base? Did the runner fall down 6 times? Another play that will never happen, possibly in Little League once a decade, but nowhere else. Did it happen at the Nationals last weekend? Was the runner the cause for the ball being thrown away? Were both the runner and the batter called out for interference?
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Post by mstaylor on Jun 10, 2009 1:34:34 GMT 10
Take a deep breath Hitman. Questions like this are exercises in thinking and applying the rules and plays in the order that they happen. When working LL they will do things that make no sense and so you have to be able to apply the correct rule quickly. Both plays are unlikely but possible. Try answering the one question to you. It help you grow as an umpire.
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