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Post by 44 on Feb 10, 2010 17:41:06 GMT 10
Gold Coast have 8 x "Division 1" U14 teams? WOW Interesting fact I was not aware of that GC have 8 x 14.1 teams, does not surprise me as they were the only Region to send 3 x U14 Dev teams to Timberjacks 2009. METRO only region to send 2 teams along with several kids in the BADDYS team. So with GC with 8 x 14.1 teams. Metro with 5 x 14.1 Bris North 2 x 14.1 Bris South 2 x 14.1 Bris West 2 x 14.1 FNC always strong and usually have some contenders for the Commish Team also. Along with NQ. Do the math and draw your own conclusions, but to me these figures strongly support the need for the 8th Commish Team in next U14's State Titles.
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Post by babe on Feb 11, 2010 2:56:12 GMT 10
Got news for ya, Willie, they ain't div 2.
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Post by wilderness on Feb 11, 2010 8:09:07 GMT 10
That's one texas sized selection pool ... dive right in I say!!!!
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Post by bronco on Feb 11, 2010 8:35:23 GMT 10
Hope you all really don't believe that Gold Coast have 8 x Division 1 standard teams?
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Post by williemays_hays on Feb 11, 2010 10:01:00 GMT 10
with that many players why don't we have 6 commish teams and give everyone the opportunity to play at the state titles - we don't want to lose a single player, so regardless of ability they should all be given the chance to play.
Your still missing my point. The tournament has been shortened due to lack of quality pitching and pitch limits. They now play 6 x 90 minute games, instead of 6 x 2 he games. How and why would we then increase the number of games played? Whos going to pitch those extra 7 games?
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Post by bronco on Feb 11, 2010 11:27:32 GMT 10
I have to agree with Willie.
The "State Championships" should not be the place to give the kids that aren't good enough to make their own region team a game.
The Timberjacks etc, thats a perfect place for regions to send 2 or more teams.
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Post by pope on Feb 11, 2010 17:59:40 GMT 10
The "State Championships" should not be the place to give the kids that aren't good enough to make their own region team a game. But we do it now. A number of kids that missed out on their own region, made up the numbers in another region
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Post by bronco on Feb 11, 2010 18:53:51 GMT 10
Yes Pope and thats the way it should be. If a region is short on numbers they should be able to pick up shadow players from other regions. What is your point?
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Post by pope on Feb 12, 2010 17:01:17 GMT 10
The "State Championships" should not be the place to give the kids that aren't good enough to make their own region team a game. Yes Pope and thats the way it should be. If a region is short on numbers they should be able to pick up shadow players from other regions. Bronco, Its not really a point, but more a question. Do you think the players that miss out on their own region should be able to play or not? From the way I read you posts, you've taken both sides here. A simple yes or no answer is fine!!!! For the record, I am all for it.
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Post by snoball on Feb 13, 2010 8:42:44 GMT 10
Some interesting points -- and all valid.
In all of the years I've watched, I have never seen the depth of quality of any junior team go all the way from 1 to 16. With most teams there is a drop of levels from about 9 or 10 downward. There is a definitely a difference between the top player and the least skilled player -- say player #16. To the point that some coaches anguish over getting the lesser skilled players in the game vs winning the tournament. There are always arguments about Regional players not making a State team. The bottom 5 or 6 players out of a 20 player squad would have similar skills at this level But, I have yet to see a legitimate argument re: a club player not making a Regional team. These players not selected in Regional team just don't have the skills. So, by adding the non-selected Regional players, we're basically adding less skilled players into the championships. By doing this we're watering down the competition. Let's put our best players in the State championships and leave it to the regions and clubs to develop those with lesser skills.
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Post by QBUA on Feb 13, 2010 10:16:57 GMT 10
Posters, this posting is my own opinion and not to be associated with any of my roles as an umpire and administrator. Good idea, having a commissioners team in the State Titles. Then the draw is 8 teams and not 7. This way, all teams get to play as much as possible within the draw, not having to sit out for a bye, therefore, not getting game experience.
I understand that some players who miss out on their own regions go to another team to make up the numbers, probably specialist players, pitchers, catchers, others, to fill in positions that the (short) team needs to be competitive. Pitchers especially, a player who needs time on the mound in big games, but a shadow pitcher in their own region, this is the perfect opportunity. Also, everyone can get a good perspective on a pitchers attitude and competitiveness when in a tight or hard situation and to compare different pitchers in these situations. Every pitcher handles situations differently. This can be the same with players in other positions, or even players at bat.
Some shadow players, say in the comm team, may even have the best games in their life, spurred along by the experience and playing in an environment that they have never played in before.
Other shadow players or any player in fact, may be future managers (coaches) and officials and administrators. It is amazing how much a player can learn from a manager or specialist players who may be there for mentoring, and if they listen, will use this knowledge in the future. Just conversations in the dugout.
In the lower ages, the players don't get much game time, game experience, so if we can give them as much as we can with Tournaments, we should. I have no real comment on game durations, 1 1/2 or 2 hours, but we do have to squeeze in alot of games each day, and really don't want young players at the park at 10 o'clock at night. This did happen at the U14 Nationals, something that could not be helped, and from what I heard, you could see they were tired.
Wrapping up, I personally think that the more kids you have playing at higher standards of game than normal club ball and the amount of games, the better.
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