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Post by 44 on Jan 30, 2010 15:39:09 GMT 10
What If? Bases loaded, tie game, in the bottom of the seventh in 7 Inning Game. Winning run on third. Batter takes his position in the box. Pitcher begins his delivery. Batter requests time. Umpire says and does nothing. Batter steps out. Pitcher suddenly stops his delivery. Would you as the Home Plate Ump call balk or not ?
What do the rules say on this scenario?
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Post by QBUA on Jan 30, 2010 17:28:14 GMT 10
NO BALK. Start from scratch Rule.
WHY: Both the batter and the pitcher are in violation of the Rules.
Continue game as if that situation never happened.
I would warn the batter what may have happened if the pitcher had delivered the ball though.
Mechanic for this situation is:
Call "TIME"
Step out infront of the plate.
Declare, "BATTER STEPPED OUT, START FROM SCRATCH."
You can point at the batter, when saying BATTER STEPPED OUT.
Then facing the pitcher, give a safe signal, when saying START FROM SCRATCH
Making the call infront of the plate focuses everyone on the umpire, and the signs indicate what has happened and what your Rulling is, it's not to be perceived as grand standing, it is positive game management and mechanics.
Back to normal positions and play.
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Post by bobbybillabong on Jan 30, 2010 22:42:49 GMT 10
And the rule is... 6.02(b)
And the game scenario has no bearing (other than there being a runner on base). The call should be exactly the same whether it's the walk off run on third in a national championship, or the top of the first in F grade.
Interestingly, there are penalties for a batter not taking position, or stepping out (called strike in the first case, strike or ball in the second), but are there penalties for the battery not taking the field?
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Post by QBUA on Jan 31, 2010 8:50:44 GMT 10
Bobby, firstly, yes.
"but are there penalties for the battery not taking the field?"
Club Ball
Yes, I would be looking at a (during game) FORFEIT.
In saying this, use every thing in your knowledge and game management to avoid forfeit if possible.
WHY: Team/Players refusing to take their positions.
Do not use this situation in reference to what happened in Melbourne at the NYC please.
Just a question on your question: Why would the pitcher and catcher refuse to take the field?
Maybe TIME WAISTING, look carefully at that one.
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Post by bobbybillabong on Jan 31, 2010 13:59:39 GMT 10
Do not use this situation in reference to what happened in Melbourne at the NYC please. Don't know anything about this one, but sounds interesting! Just a question on your question: Why would the pitcher and catcher refuse to take the field? Maybe TIME WAISTING, look carefully at that one. Should have been clearer - I didn't mean refuses to take the field, just very slow to do so. For instance, pitcher waiting for catcher to fully suit up before going out, and no other player putting on a mask to warm up the pitcher, that sort of thing. |
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Post by QBUA on Jan 31, 2010 18:33:53 GMT 10
Bobby, yes it is a problem.
I find it hard to do some games because it seems that one or both teams don't want to play.
In some grades, I'll let everyone work out which one's, they lose at least one inning a game and maybe ever two. That could be the difference of coming back late to win, but they will never know, because they were so slow to start with, that last inning never happened.
Hint for plate umpire's, if the pitcher and catcher take along time and niether try to get a warm up in, let them have 1 or 2 warm up pitchers max, that should get them going.
With this in mind, sometimes people claim the umpire has called the game to early for them, maybe just called at the time it should, not in real control of the amount of play in the game.
In any National competition, 60 seconds should be the change over time, can be stretched to 90, but no longer, and only the occassional inning. We, blue shirts working these type of championships are actually timed on this part of the game, and given the figures after the game.
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Post by kylebyrne on Feb 1, 2010 12:33:58 GMT 10
QBUA, Can you tell me what situation you are referring to at the NYC ion melbourne?
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Post by kylebyrne on Feb 1, 2010 12:37:52 GMT 10
6.02 ...
If after the pitcher starts his windup or comes to a “set position” with a runner on, he does not go through with his pitch because the batter has stepped out of the box, the umpire shall not call a balk. The umpire shall call an automatic strike if Rule 6.02(d)(1) calls for such sanction.
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Post by QBUA on Feb 1, 2010 15:39:43 GMT 10
What happened in Melbourne at the NYC.
I added this in my previous posting incase someone would be asking about a special circumstance that I have heard about.
I was not there, I heard this from a third or fourth party and believe I have the information correct.
From what I can recollect:
A game was called, everyone involved, between the umpire/s, the scoreboard, scorers and managers, the game had been completed correctly. In saying this, apparently one manager questioned the score at end of play, however, never persude it.
Later, it had be found in the score book, that the game had not been finished according to the requirements of the Championships Rules.
The game was to resume immediately, however, half of one team had already left the complex.
The resuming of play was then scheduled for a future time without disadvantaging iether team, and finished at some stage after that.
I am not putting my car on the my recollection of the conversation.
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Post by kylebyrne on Feb 2, 2010 10:39:44 GMT 10
Almost correct QBUA,
Situation was bottom of the 9th 2out loaded bases and a tied score. Queensland then walked the next batter giving territories the win. Shortly after the game had fnished within 5-10 mins the score was questioned and was found to be incorrect. The scorers had scored a runner in the 3rd inning on a fly ball to the outfield when in fact he stayed at 3rd base.
Both teams were still at the field and they were warming up to finish the game when the light was deemed to be too poor so they made the decision to wait until after the 7pm night game had finieshed and then finished the game at 1030 that night. 5 pitches were thrown with the 3rd baseman making an error and Territories winning the game and subsequently moving them into the finals and knocking out victoria....
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Post by QBUA on Feb 3, 2010 15:47:56 GMT 10
Bobby, I hope my posting for you helped.
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Post by bobbybillabong on Feb 5, 2010 16:27:56 GMT 10
Bobby, I hope my posting for you helped. As always, yes. And thank you QBUA for taking the time to post the detailed replies here and elsewhere - very useful practical guides for the practising umpire. |
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