Manager's visit or not?

[bobbybillabong]

Here's a situation.

Manager is also a player, let's say 2B.

Batter hits a slow roller bunt towards 1st, 1B comes in to the ball, P covers 1st, and 2B backs up. After the out is made, P and 2B talk as they're heading back to their positions.

So, is this counted as a manager's 'trip to the mound'? Why?

[QBUA]

NO

[44]

Then when is it considered a "trip to the mound" QBUA?

I was wondering this myself the other week when I watched a teams Coach playing in Major A.


As an aside, Little League Rules allow 3 trips not 2.

[bobbybillabong]

Let me throw in a couple of 'what if's.

What if the 2B/Manager was actually coaching the pitcher during their walk and talk?

What if the 2B/Manager accompanies the P back toward the mound and breaks away just before the circle?

What if the catcher calls for time and goes out to the pitcher and a couple of infielders join in the conversation, including SS who has just spoken to 2B?

[snoball]

Interesting. I have seen an accredited umpire declare a visit by the coach when the coach, from the dugout, yelled to the pitcher to "remember to check the runner at first"

[mstaylor]

Jan 23, 2010 8:04:43 GMT 10 snoball said:

Interesting. I have seen an accredited umpire declare a visit by the coach when the coach, from the dugout, yelled to the pitcher to "remember to check the runner at first"

That would make him wrong. A visit is when time is called and the manager talks to the pitcher. If the manager is a player and he calls time and goes to talk to the pitcher, then it is a visit. Just talking going back to their position is nothing.

[QBUA]

Snoball, that is possible, I have bagged infielders for a trip when the manager was on the bench, if they want to hold up the game and talk to the pitcher, (special circumstances were in affect with this call, not special Rules, just special circumstances)
Mstaylor, you had to be here to understand what was going on.

Normally, manager/infielder talking to the pitcher, without holding up the game, no trip involved.
Manager/Catchers are a good one, at the plate, explain that there are circumstances where a M/C may want to talk to the pitcher as a C, but its a judgement call if you think they have abused this talking and turning it into a trip, they understand what you mean.

Use your judgement, just talking as a player, OK, or you really think they have slowed or stopped the game and talking to the pitcher as a manager. If you think they are getting to close to a trip, warn them, "hey guys, you are making me consider this as a trip, lets get on with it." Most managers will thankyou for the warning, letting them know what your judgement is, using the soft stick.

GAME MANAGEMENT is the trick.
Nice to hear from you mstaylor.

[nuke]

Is it right to say, in the case of a manager/catcher, if that there is any inclanation (ie looking around towards ither position players or too the bench and giving some sort of indicator) that the manager is abusing the right of the regular 'battery visit' and should be notified that the trip was a visit ?

I have heard many varying items about what is considered a 'real' visit by any manager - ie the manager has to cross into fair terriotry towards the mound for it to be classed as a visit. Is there a definative answer to 'what is classed as a visit' ?

If i were to be umpiring a game I would more than likely warn a manager if he was streching the limitations of rules if he skirted around in foul territory offering the pitcher advice and notifing him or her of potential situations etc. Is this within regulation of QBUA umpiring?

[QBUA]

Feb 15, 2010 23:09:18 GMT 10 nuke said:

Is it right to say, in the case of a manager/catcher, if that there is any inclanation (ie looking around towards ither position players or too the bench and giving some sort of indicator) that the manager is abusing the right of the regular 'battery visit' and should be notified that the trip was a visit ?

I have heard many varying items about what is considered a 'real' visit by any manager - ie the manager has to cross into fair terriotry towards the mound for it to be classed as a visit. Is there a definative answer to 'what is classed as a visit' ?

If i were to be umpiring a game I would more than likely warn a manager if he was streching the limitations of rules if he skirted around in foul territory offering the pitcher advice and notifing him or her of potential situations etc. Is this within regulation of QBUA umpiring?

Welcome to the forum nuke.
Yes, preplanned trips by catchers or others has and will happen.
My posting, Manager/Catcher was referring more to seniors, where a manager may also be a catcher.

Your other questions about trip, you can use the foul line, but what if they coach from foul territory, problem.
They should not cross the foul line until TIME is called.
If you feel that they are going beyond what is normal from the dugout or foul territory, you could say something to them, you future calls may be from how they receive you.

Say, they are on the mound "TRIP", and then walks down off the mound, then goes back, that is an extra trip. They finished one, then started another.

Manager (dugout), comes walking out heading for the mound, but you remember that the pitcher has had a trip this inning, try and beat them to the foul line where they are about to cross and inform them that this is the second trip this inning, they may say, who cares, thanks, or I'm making a change.
This should be in an informative in nature and not threatening.

Being observant during the game can help you understand what is happening, good game management.