Is it still IFF ?

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Bases loaded, one out.
Batter hits a pop up near third that may be foul.
PU calls, "Infield fly, if fair batter is out"
Ball lands foul before crossing third base
but then rolls fair and remains fair.
Question--is the BR still out, or is the infield fly rule no longer in effect?

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Blues please give the lowly Level 0s a chance to answer first.... ;D ;D

[T]

If it's picked up fair, then yes.

The fielder can still use it as a ploy to deliberately drop the ball and get a double play so it's absolutely an infield fly.

[QBUA]

OK Rams , good question

[T]

...is that the answer?

[QBUA]

No T, sorry. (Rams....I did wait 4 weeks

(Late add on to posting) Question: Did anyone attempt to catch the ball, meaning, did any player park under the ball. If no one attempts to even get under the ball, NO infield fly.

Yes, we have an INFIELD FLY situation.
Can the ball be caught by an infielder with ordinary effort?

Remember, it's where the ball is TOUCHED or COMES TO REST determines if it is a FAIR or FOUL BALL, not just that it hit the ground first in foul territory.

Yes, the PU comes up with "infield fly if fair", no need for the extra bit (batter is out), because we don't know yet if fair or foul, no need for extra comments yet.
Remember that an infielder must be able to catch the ball with ORDINARY EFFORT. The PU must establish this before he can make such a call.
Thought process: 1. ball position 2. infielder with ordinary effort 3. possible fair or foul.

If let to drop and the ball rolls fair and is TOUCHED or COMES TO REST, in fair territory, and as per infield fly Rule, YES, infield fly.
then come up with the mechanic for a FAIR BALL, pointing the arm towards fair territory, (down 3rd, it would be the right arm and PU is facing down the 3rd base foul line) and saying nothing.
If you end up with a situation with all runners holding up and the batter at first, just tell the batter they are out.
If an infield fly is called, and a fielder intentionally lets it drop, the infield fly call has precedence and the runners do not have to advance, but if they do, at their own risk. THE BALL IS STILL LIVE and IN PLAY

If let to drop and the ball rolls foul, TOUCHED or COMES TO REST, in foul territory, it is a foul ball.

If NO infield fly is called on a high fly ball, and the ball drops to the ground, then the runners are at risk of being put out.

Has that helped.

[bball05]

so if there was runners on 1st and 2nd, or 1st 2nd and 3rd with less than 2 outs...
pop up to the SS, catchable, but does not make ordinary effort, no infield fly rule?
isnt the whole idea of the IFF to deny that approach from happening?
POP up, no effort, double play.
nice

[JRA Qld2]

It's not so much that the infielder makes ordinary effort
The rule is a fly ball which can be caught by an infielder with ordinary effort.

It is a judgement call, the umpire deciding whether if an infielder using ordinary effort could have caught that ball. Whether the infielder uses this ordinary effort or not is irrelevant.

[QBUA]

WELL DONE JRA, good posting.

Bball, if we judge that the ball can be caught with ordinary effort, then the IFF should be called, that takes the force of the runners.
If the infielder has to struggle for the ball and maybe even boot it, then there is a chance that all runners and the batter can advance without being put out. Most of the time a struggling fielder will find it hard to roll a double.

I see your point Bball, but we can not make a Rule for every possible play or senario, just see what we can do with what we have.
Process what is presented to us and apply the Rule or Rules that relate to such play.