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Post by 44 on Jan 12, 2010 18:19:16 GMT 10
Now that we have the league well-and-truly split, I'm wondering what next season is going to look like. Are the 'Major League' 8 going to stay as is, will Pacific League clubs be allowed to come up or are we going to do the whole darned qualifying thing again next season? And then, is the first half of the season going to mean something next year? If everybody has played everybody, there's really no reason to be starting over halfway through. I vote Promote/Relegate 1 Club and try and get a new 8th Club in Pac League next season to round out 16 Teams. Maybe Robina........ If your coming 7th or 8th in Majors, get your act together boys. 1 goes down Coming 1st or 2nd in Pac League, well done and something to play for. 1 goes up. All Teams in Majors will still need to make strict Juniors criteria however.
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Jan 12, 2010 19:55:39 GMT 10
Top goes up Bottom goes down
2nd PL and 2ML play off for a spot
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Post by wildpitch23 on Jan 12, 2010 21:37:26 GMT 10
Personally, I don't think that any club should be able to presume that they will be in either league before the season starts unless they can't meet the criteria. If you meet the criteria, you should be able to play off with your current team for the right to make the top league. If you don't allow this, clubs will ride along on the previous season's results rather than be encouraged to play top quality games for the whole time. What's wrong with playing off at the start of the season? It solved all of the whinging about who was going to make the top comp as everyone played each other. The only people who have a justified gripe are the players in Major B whose games during that time effectively count for naught....not sure how that problem can be rectified.
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Post by 44 on Jan 13, 2010 6:47:08 GMT 10
I'd prefer the promotion/relegation system but if we go through the round robin grading round again at least allow the Major B teams to keep the points earned from it whether they get graded into Majors or Pacific. 15 B teams play each other once so it's still equitable to carry over the points and wins.
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Post by snoball on Jan 13, 2010 9:06:10 GMT 10
I was hoping all plans would be on the table before the round robin finished, but that wasn't the case. I think that it would be reasonable to have the Round Robin again next season and, if relegation and promotion is the plan for subsequent seasons, then that is explained before Sept, when the season begins.
I think it lacks professionalism to begin a new setup, like we have this season, without everyone knowing what the end result is.
Are we going to do Round Robin each year and then place teams in Major and Pacific leagues? Or, are we only doing the one Round Robin to allocate teams in the two leagues where they will be at the start of each season, except for those teams who have been promoted up or relegated down? Or -- the third option -- have we done the Round Robin in 2009 for the league's structure for the next X number of years, no promotion, no relegation.
Kind of scarey to put a new system into effect without knowing how it's going to end up. I am confident that BQI has something worked out; it would be helpful if the constituants knew the plan.
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Post by unknown on Jan 23, 2010 11:55:13 GMT 10
It would seem laughable that BQI would consider using the promotion / relegation system this year given that we are heading into February now and no one knows the situation.
When the information is made available, I have no problem with the promotion / relegation system.... but to bring it in now, essentially giving people 7 weeks notice for how next season will play out seems ridiculous.
This is not to say teams / clubs are not putting in 100% every time they get on the field, but as we all know, it's a bit harder to find motivation when you're coming 7th or 8th at this stage of the season. Maybe if these teams knew they we're playing for their position in the league next season, as well as for their finals position this season it would make for a far more competitive league for the duration of the season.
I think we can learn alot from the introduction of the new ABL being announced some 18 months before its start date. New leagues, or league re-stucturing (such as we are discussing here) are great ideas, but they need to be announced in advance.
I think using this season as a 'workshop' of sorts for this new structure has been a great idea... and I hope we do what we did this season again next season (perhaps with the introduction of bringing the points forward from the "qualifying" rounds) before we move into the 2 league system for good. While in the short term, I am not a fan of going through the qualifying system again, in the long run - and for the success of Queensland baseball - we must think long term sometimes. One more season of pain for a league that every one believes in seems reasonable to me.
Put simply, to announce the promotion / relegation system will be used for season 2010/2011 would be close to the worst decision BQI could ever make. And I challenge anyone to make a solid argument to the contrary.
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Post by T on Jan 31, 2010 17:20:14 GMT 10
If you meet the criteria, you should be able to play off with your current team for the right to make the top league. Agreed. What's wrong with playing off at the start of the season? I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I'd like to see it again next year, the only issue with it this year was that the games ended up counting for nothing. Where is the motivation to play good baseball week-in week-out, for the whole season? This counts double for B-Grade who didn't even have a 'top league' to qualify for. I'd love to see what a league table would look like if all games from this season were counted. Keep in mind as soon as the games 'start counting', clubs have to release their top players for Claxton Shield. Which reduces the quality of both A and B-grade competitions. That nobody seems to know what's going on next year is concerning. If I'm a B-Grader considering whether to shell out half a grand to play next year, do I really want to pay for a repeat of the first 2 months of this season? (and are we going to get rid of the ridiculous rule that a game before a double header has to be called on time?)
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Post by T on Jan 31, 2010 17:21:41 GMT 10
Top goes up Bottom goes down 2nd PL and 2ML play off for a spot Is that actually what's going on, or is that your suggestion?
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Jan 31, 2010 21:51:46 GMT 10
It's a suggestion. Could possibly end in disaster with players switching clubs, but I guess that's where club loyalty becomes a factor
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Post by T on Feb 1, 2010 16:56:28 GMT 10
Promotion/relegation could be a good long-term strategy and add interest for all teams until the end of the season. I don't see clubs 'coasting' on last year's results being an issue, one bad year and they're down.
Drawbacks being if a club does get relegated it'll probably take them 2 years to get back (if you count lost players etc - they can cripple a relegated team). Take a look at some of the teams recently relegated from the English Premier League; (Leeds United, Southampton, Charlton, Crystal Palace among others) coupled with a big player exodus and the trouble those clubs now find themselves in.
You couldn't implement it for next season though, not at this late stage. It is worrying that nobody seems to know what's going on, you do get the hint of 'make it up as we go'.
The only fair way now really is to do the qualifying round robin again at the start of next season, with all games counting towards a team's final record. And in B-grade as well.
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Post by snoochies on Feb 5, 2010 13:46:54 GMT 10
To whom it may concern,
I recently made a post on this forum which it seems to have offended someone as it has been removed. Pretty much my post simply asked how clubs can plan for the future when BQI can't make up their mind of what is to happen next week let alone next season.
I have searched the recent 50 posts made and my post seems to be missing. If my post has been removed because I hit a nerve with someone, then it justifies my post or am I simply mistaken and just imaginedor dreamed about me making my previous post. (I'll make sure I make a print screen of this so I know I'm not dreaming).
I appreciate you returning my post to this page.
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Post by QBUA on Feb 5, 2010 15:27:58 GMT 10
To whom it may concern, I recently made a post on this forum which it seems to have offended someone as it has been removed. Pretty much my post simply asked how clubs can plan for the future when BQI can't make up their mind of what is to happen next week let alone next season. I have searched the recent 50 posts made and my post seems to be missing. If my post has been removed because I hit a nerve with someone, then it justifies my post or am I simply mistaken and just imaginedor dreamed about me making my previous post. (I'll make sure I make a print screen of this so I know I'm not dreaming). I appreciate you returning my post to this page. snoochies,,,your posting was probably removed because it was not within the rules of being on the forum. Because it has been removed, people seeing this forum for the first time cannot make their own minds, however, I read it as you putting the BOOT into BQI. Running any competition, and with the amount of grades, clubs, teams etc, must be hard, especially when your looking at the physical area the BQI managers. If you have good ideas about future competitions, please put them forward here, so everyone can see them and have a question or input.
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Post by snoochies on Feb 5, 2010 17:56:47 GMT 10
To whom it may concern, I recently made a post on this forum which it seems to have offended someone as it has been removed. Pretty much my post simply asked how clubs can plan for the future when BQI can't make up their mind of what is to happen next week let alone next season. I have searched the recent 50 posts made and my post seems to be missing. If my post has been removed because I hit a nerve with someone, then it justifies my post or am I simply mistaken and just imaginedor dreamed about me making my previous post. (I'll make sure I make a print screen of this so I know I'm not dreaming). I appreciate you returning my post to this page. snoochies,,,your posting was probably removed because it was not within the rules of being on the forum. Because it has been removed, people seeing this forum for the first time cannot make their own minds, however, I read it as you putting the BOOT into BQI. Running any competition, and with the amount of grades, clubs, teams etc, must be hard, especially when your looking at the physical area the BQI managers. If you have good ideas about future competitions, please put them forward here, so everyone can see them and have a question or input. Well generally if a post is removed, you should notify the messenger of why the post is removed instead of the poster logging on seeing it disappear for an unknown reason to the poster. If I were logging in for the first time I would only need to read the above 4 or 5 posts to make a judgement on BQI so I don't see how my post could or would sway anyones impression of BQI. Many bloggers on here are scratching their head wondering what the plan for the future is in regarding the competition as it seems BQI aren't providing feedback. Organising a competition must be hard I understand, but if people take on the job to do so, then like any job, it should be done correctly and proffesionally and also explained to those who are paying out the big dollars to use your services. My comment is true in that a club cannot plan for the future unless those who run the competition knows what is happening. For instance, some lower grade clubs are not sure if they have a chance to move up next year or not, and may wish to recruit top flight players. It's hard to sell your club to good players when the club does not know where it stands. What I would like to ask is do BQI have a 5 or 10 year plan put in place? Do you have a future vision for Baseball in Queensland and if so, is this being communicated to the paying participants. Other sports in this state are pretty rock solid on where they are headed for the future, which in turn makes it easier to market, recruit and sell. My thoughts are the relegation system would be perfect that it motivates those in the lower grades to make the top league and for those in the top league who are in relegation zone to improve their win/loss to keep in the top comp. This way there is no need to start fresh every year with a new structure that duds teams half way through the comp. By the sounds of it, alot of bloggers on here keen on the idea. Worrying about a new blogger coming on here should not be a real concern as much as looking after your current market who are asking questions and getting no answers, as they are the ones you need to retain. It's alot easier to retain your current market rather than recruit a new one. I hope you don't see my post as putting the boot into BQI but more or less some 'real' issues I and other current and past players/participants have. Cheers.
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Post by snoochies on Feb 12, 2010 19:57:00 GMT 10
Just wondering if anyone from BQI is going to address the issues above?
Cheers.
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Post by T on Feb 18, 2010 13:01:46 GMT 10
It would be good to know. Even if next season seems a long way off, I'm quite sure everyone and every club would like to know where they stand, especially with regards to recruiting players. Even if it doesn't seem like a big deal to BQ now, recognise that these are real concerns their paying customers have.
Can Pacific League clubs make it up next year? Will Major League teams be able to keep their place? Is 2 months of the season just plain not going to matter again next year?
I can guarantee that hearing 2 months of next season plain won't count would make me think twice about playing. Does the NRL only count half the season? The AFL? The English Premier League? MLB? Anyone?
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