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Post by unknown on Nov 9, 2009 10:21:31 GMT 10
I heard while attending the A Grade Comm Shield game yesterday that the B Grade Shield game originally wasn't going to count yesterday after Windsor didn't have 9 players show up at the start time. Instead when they did have 9 players arrive (about 30 minutes late), they played a scratch match, with the decision that the shield would be officially 'played' for the next time these two teams met during the season. This seemed an odd decision, but whatever...
However, after the game it seemed as though Padres had been awarded the Shield?
Could someone know whether Padres officially won the Shield yesterday in B grade?
(PS - Congrats to Windsor for winning an 'entertaining' A grade game... 17-15 - quite the battle)
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Post by bronco on Nov 9, 2009 10:38:24 GMT 10
Are you serious? Windsor had 6 players for the start of the B grade game. Since when do you get to replay a game when you don't have enough players. It should have been a forfeit & Windsor should be embarrassed that they showed so much disrespect for the game of baseball that they could only get 6 players in a Commisioners Shield. I cannot believe they are asking for a replay. Padres did the right thing by allowing Windsor an extra half an hour for their missing players to turn up. In the end it was 3 "A" graders who ended up taking the field. Padres still won the game 7-6 and it was NOT played as a scratch match. Do players complain bitterly about an umpiring decision in a scratch match. What about all the Padres players, family, friends & fans who turned up to watch the game? As I said earlier the Windsor Club should be embarrassed and not complaining.
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Post by unknown on Nov 9, 2009 12:24:59 GMT 10
I'm not saying Windsor asked to have the game replayed, just that this was the decision made prior to the game, and then apparently the decision was changed during / after the game.
I agree with you that the game should have just been a forfeit, but i'm asking if the Shield was awarded based on the forfeit, or on the result of the game played on Sunday?
On a side note, if the game was actually played on Sunday, does that mean Windsor didn't actually have 9 fresh for the A Grade Comm Shield game?
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Post by T on Nov 9, 2009 13:22:06 GMT 10
Guys, in fairness nobody knew these games would even be on a week ago. As far as anyone in the league knew, last week was effectively a bye for all clubs.
I can't speak for the Windsor club, I don't know what those guys were up to but they could have had anything planned for that weekend. Trips away, they had a few guys at the clacko, etc. etc. All of a sudden they're then asked to field a team for this week.
obviously if they were having trouble filling teams they could have let BQ/Padres/Pine Hills know in advance so we're not stuck with yesterday, but I digress
Not to make excuses for them, but it's hard enough for some clubs to put 3 teams out there every week when they are expecting a game, let alone being only being told 6 days in advance.
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Post by unknown on Nov 9, 2009 13:28:48 GMT 10
Guys, in fairness nobody knew these games would even be on a week ago. As far as anyone in the league knew, last week was effectively a bye for all clubs. I can't speak for the Windsor club, I don't know what those guys were up to but they could have had anything planned for that weekend. Trips away, they had a few guys at the clacko, etc. etc. All of a sudden they're then asked to field a team for this week. obviously if they were having trouble filling teams they could have let BQ/Padres/Pine Hills know in advance so we're not stuck with yesterday, but I digress Not to make excuses for them, but it's hard enough for some clubs to put 3 teams out there every week when they are expecting a game, let alone being only being told 6 days in advance. I guess this is what happens when there is no plan to have a B grade game for Comm Shield, and then a decision is made in haste to put one on at very late notice. A good point T. |
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Post by bronco on Nov 9, 2009 14:03:59 GMT 10
Stop trying to make excuses for Windsor. The club knew they were playing for the B Grade commisioners shield in plenty of time. I know for a fact Padres were talking about winning their last few games "hoping" they could qualify for the shield. Even if Windsor only found out for sure early in the week, don't you think they would show the game & other clubs more respect by doing their best to get 9 players to the game. This was not just a club game it was for a trophy and a lot of people at BQ & Pine Hills went out of their way to host this day. At least last year in A Grade, Rapids were good enough to tell BQ that they could not field a team therefore giving enough time to get a replacement team. I was there and I was embarrassed for Baseball as a sport when it hosts a trophy day and a team doesn't have enough players to take the field.
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Post by T on Nov 9, 2009 14:20:18 GMT 10
I just got through saying I wasn't making excuses for them. If they'd known in advance they wouldn't have the players - it could definitely have been handled better like I said above.
I'd be interested to hear the reasons behind why only 6 showed up; who knows - maybe someone's car broke down on the way to the game?
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Nov 9, 2009 15:07:01 GMT 10
Commissioners Shield is on every year and it was announced a long time ago it would be played at the end of the preliminary rounds.
They weren't broken down T, the coach said they'd be 5 minutes away at 11:25.
When the coach was asked at 11:45 where the players were, he said he didn't know and that all three of the players had their mobiles turned off.
I saw 12 very eager Redcliffe players, not to mention a couple of dozen supporters, at the field at 10:30, they were warned weeks ago that they'd be playing on Sunday and Windsor could only muster 6?
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Post by craft on Nov 9, 2009 15:20:03 GMT 10
Hello anyone from Windsor out there? Any answers?
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Post by unknown on Nov 9, 2009 16:08:08 GMT 10
Commissioners Shield is on every year and it was announced a long time ago it would be played at the end of the preliminary rounds. They weren't broken down T, the coach said they'd be 5 minutes away at 11:25. When the coach was asked at 11:45 where the players were, he said he didn't know and that all three of the players had their mobiles turned off. I saw 12 very eager Redcliffe players, not to mention a couple of dozen supporters, at the field at 10:30, they were warned weeks ago that they'd be playing on Sunday and Windsor could only muster 6? While I agree with the general feeling that Windsor should have been able to put a team on the field, this statement above is not correct JRA. The original statement released by BQI was that B Grade shield winner would be determined by a 'first past the post' method. This means, the team on top would simply claim the shield.. you can find that statement in post 1 of the below link. The announcement that B Grade would actually have a Commissioners Shield game was only made about 1 week before the game itself. baseballqld.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=seniorsforum&action=display&thread=139&page=1It's unfortunate that Windsor couldn't field a team at the correct game time, it's unfortunate that Padres and their supporters had to wait around to see this game begin. |
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Post by wildpitch23 on Nov 9, 2009 16:32:42 GMT 10
Hey Unknown..... a letter was sent out to all clubs on APRIL 1ST....yes, APRIL...entitled "Senior Competition Format 2009-2010". It clearly states that B Grade will play for the Commissioners Shield at the end of the qualifying Majors round.
I'd say that your statement that "I guess this is what happens when there is no plan to have a B grade game for Comm Shield, and then a decision is made in haste to put one on at very late notice" is very ill-informed. The plan was sent to clubs over 7 months ago. That's hardly a hasty decision.
Everyone was told that this would happen. The Padres players knew. Sounds like the communication at Windsor may have let them down.
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Post by wildpitch23 on Nov 9, 2009 16:37:08 GMT 10
BTW, the letter we received didn't have "first past the post" on it so I don't know if this was a direct quote on the forum or if it was later changed. But, Unknown, it clearly says B Grade will PLAY for the Commissioners Shield.
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Post by nuke on Nov 9, 2009 17:21:09 GMT 10
A lot of good points made here but alot of misheard information also. Even during the day with all the problems regarding numbers of players decisions were made and then changed without notice.
Before anyone jumps on anyones case here - this is a unique comp this year regarding its composition and how it would work out. The exact timing of the shield was never stated for reference - only the timing would be held after the preliminary rounds. There was no indication when the split (ML and PL)would take place and if there was 'break' as such.
Yes it is disappointing that Windsor only had 6 to a game, however these things happen and sometimes can be uncontroable due to various factors. Its happened befored and it will probably happen again to many clubs. B grade will find it harder and harder to play full strength teams and numbers etc with C grade (Brisbane A) not playing before them.
Credit where credit is due here - Padres and fans were decent enough to stick around and be patient and play / watch a game thats what baseball should be about - sportsmanship and being proud of the game. Pine Hills facilities - becoming a very very good place to watch, play and enjoy a game.
Well thats all im saying- Whats done is done. Let everyone look forward to the ML and PL.
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Post by T on Nov 9, 2009 17:29:23 GMT 10
wildpitch, feel free to quote the letter where it mentions what you say it does. I was also under the impression until about a week ago that there would be no playoff in B-grade.
Interesting that Padres players apparently knew about this weeks ago.
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Post by wildpitch23 on Nov 9, 2009 17:50:24 GMT 10
T ... Padres players knew that there was a Commissioners Shield playoff for B Grade because their Committee told them at the beginning of the season based on the information that had been sent in April. They didn't know that they would be playing for it themselves until the previous weekend when the results of games determined the top two teams. Even then, the teams announced in the week before by BQI were incorrect so, actually, the Padres B Graders didn't know until Wednesday night that they were playing......still managed to get there though!!
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