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Post by 44 on Oct 15, 2009 18:47:53 GMT 10
Without getting a base hit, how many ways can you get to first base?
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Post by QBUA on Oct 15, 2009 20:36:55 GMT 10
Without getting a base hit, how many ways can you get to first base? Rams, is this one for us too, or you like newer umpires or players to answer. Question: Is (base hit) as per scoring or you mean just by hitting the ball? |
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Post by snoball on Oct 15, 2009 21:30:27 GMT 10
A walk, hit by pitch, dropped third strike, and catcher's interference makes four.
According to Official Rule 7.05 (h), the batter and base runners get one base "if a ball, pitched to the batter or thrown by the pitcher from his position on the pitcher's plate to a base to catch a runner, goes into a stand, or player's bench, or over or through a field fence or backstop, or is touched by a spectator."
Alternately, according to 7.05 (i), "on ball four or strike three, when the pitch misses the catcher and lodges in the umpire's mask or paraphernalia," the batter and runners are entitled to advance one base
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Post by scorekeeper on Oct 16, 2009 13:07:17 GMT 10
A walk, hit by pitch, dropped third strike, and catcher's interference makes four. A batter can also reach 1st base on obstruction (a fielder interferes with his advance, not his swing), fielder's choice and error. According to Official Rule 7.05 (h), the batter and base runners get one base "if a ball, pitched to the batter or thrown by the pitcher from his position on the pitcher's plate to a base to catch a runner, goes into a stand, or player's bench, or over or through a field fence or backstop, or is touched by a spectator." Alternately, according to 7.05 (i), "on ball four or strike three, when the pitch misses the catcher and lodges in the umpire's mask or paraphernalia," the batter and runners are entitled to advance one base 7.05(h & i) deals with runners and batter-runners advancing on a pitch that becomes dead due to going out of play. In the case of a batter going to 1st on such a pitch, it would be either BB, KPB or KWP (unless CI was called). |
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Oct 16, 2009 14:22:46 GMT 10
Pinch run
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Post by QBUA on Oct 16, 2009 14:37:01 GMT 10
JRA, I think we are talking about how a BATTER can physically get to first base without a hit. Your answer refers to how a PLAYER can get on to first base.
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Post by madmax on Oct 16, 2009 16:24:44 GMT 10
can you get baulked to 1st?
also, cannot the umpire exercise his plenary power and award you 1st?
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Oct 16, 2009 17:07:51 GMT 10
I didn't see anywhere in the question that made clear it was the batter that had to claim first.
From memory, this question was asked on the BR forum and there were 9 ways, including getting a hit and being a pinch runner to get to first.
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Oct 16, 2009 17:12:25 GMT 10
A pitcher can have a 'ball' called against him for making an illegal move with no runners on, therefore technically you can balk someone to first as per 8.02a and 8.05e
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Post by QBUA on Oct 17, 2009 9:06:03 GMT 10
OK, you got me, it does not say from the batters box to first base, but I believe the question is constructed to mean that.
JRA, you have to have runners on base to invoke a BALK, you can not say that technically the pitcher has balked with no runners on base, you would have to use another rule for a pitcher doing an illegal action with no runners on base.
Your Rule quote, (8.02a), see 8.02(a)(1)(penalty 1)
"For violation of this part of this Rule the umpire shall immediately call a BALL. However, if the pitch is made and a batter reaches first baseon a hit, an error, a hit batter or otherwise and no other runner is put-out before advancing at least on base, the play shall proceed without reference to the violation. Repeat offenders shall be subject to a fine by the league president."
8.05(e), The pitcher makes an illegal pitch;
"A quick pitch is an illegal pitch. Umpires will judge a quick pitch as one delivered before the batter is reasonably set in the batter's box. With runners on base the penalty is a balk, with no runners on base, it is a ball. The quick pitch is dangerous and should not be permitted. "
The only way the batter can reach first base with no runners on base is on (ball 4).
JRA, if you think I'm wrong with interpretation or Rule, please ask the experts, you know who I mean.
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