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Dipping
Sept 16, 2009 21:20:42 GMT 10
Post by T on Sept 16, 2009 21:20:42 GMT 10
This is something I've always wondered about, but never asked. For you dippers out there - what gets you into it?
The last thing I mean to do is preach, but from someone who has never considered doing it it's hard to see the attraction. Obviously from the pools of brown spit and discarded tins I see every week, it's quite a popular thing to do.
So for you guys that do it (and I know you're out there reading this forum), what made you think one day 'hey, you know what'll make this day better? Putting a lump of dip in my mouth'
Someone please help me out. Is it for the rush? Boredom? Is it for the flavour, or the same reason we spit seeds?
(I will add the caveat that I will never do it, nor tell others what to do or think. Each to their own. I just want to understand what attracts people to doing it their first time)
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Dipping
Sept 17, 2009 15:47:39 GMT 10
Post by 44 on Sept 17, 2009 15:47:39 GMT 10
Interesting thread teebag. As a now Ex-Smoker of over 30 years(+3 years quit), I'd be the last person to comment. However I have never tried dipping, Skoal bandits etc. I notice in MLB dugouts a large and regular supply of Bubble Gum and Sunflower seeds nowadays, but my understand is that Dipping is still popular in the Pro USA Minors. Here is a Link to some information about Dipping though that I hope is useful to those who do Dip: kidshealth.org/teen/drug_alcohol/tobacco/smokeless.html
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Dipping
Sept 17, 2009 22:52:23 GMT 10
Post by JRA Qld2 on Sept 17, 2009 22:52:23 GMT 10
It's illegal in Australia and has been for a long time. I notice the same topic crept up on the Victoria boards at Radio National forum.
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Dipping
Sept 18, 2009 9:43:38 GMT 10
Post by 44 on Sept 18, 2009 9:43:38 GMT 10
It's illegal in Australia and has been for a long time. I notice the same topic crept up on the Victoria boards at Radio National forum. It's illegal to sell in Australia but I'm not so sure there is a Law against using it?
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Dipping
Sept 18, 2009 17:19:11 GMT 10
Post by QBUA on Sept 18, 2009 17:19:11 GMT 10
Interesting subject. I am NOT here to stop anyone from talking about the issue, just thought I'd make some of my own comments.
Some people think it is ok to spit in the dugout, or on the field, or surroundings, but would it be ok if the dippers did it in their car or house.
They don't care if their team mates have to walk through it, or watch where they drop their gloves.
They don't care if kids are watching them, and maybe even imitate them. I've seen as young as under 14's imitating spitting.
No one is permitted to have it on the field or in the dugout.
At least 2 Rules cover this situation, we can use all of them.
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Dipping
Sept 21, 2009 21:54:32 GMT 10
Post by T on Sept 21, 2009 21:54:32 GMT 10
whose rule is it? BQ? ABF? or baseball in general?
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Dipping
Sept 22, 2009 0:43:46 GMT 10
Post by wildpitch23 on Sept 22, 2009 0:43:46 GMT 10
From the Baseball Qld By-Laws 2009...
8.17 The umpire will eject any player or official found using any tobacco or alcohol products, or any illicit drugs during a game. In accordance with Queensland Government legislation, this includes anywhere within the boundaries of the venue.
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Dipping
Sept 22, 2009 11:42:40 GMT 10
Post by a rod on Sept 22, 2009 11:42:40 GMT 10
well if its illegal to sell in aus, where do you get it from cause i have looked every where for it on the net and stuff cause i was also curious about what the hype was about?
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Dipping
Sept 22, 2009 11:49:08 GMT 10
Post by JRA Qld2 on Sept 22, 2009 11:49:08 GMT 10
You can bring small amounts of it back from the States
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Dipping
Oct 4, 2009 11:42:53 GMT 10
Post by aussiemum on Oct 4, 2009 11:42:53 GMT 10
Mmmmmmmmm must be a very contagious Blindness virus out there!!!!!!
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Dipping
Oct 5, 2009 11:19:00 GMT 10
Post by madmax on Oct 5, 2009 11:19:00 GMT 10
I have learned from experience that a modicum of snuff can be most efficacious...
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Dipping
Oct 5, 2009 17:29:49 GMT 10
Post by QBUA on Oct 5, 2009 17:29:49 GMT 10
Yes, some people are blind to this situation, but some are not.
A little insight on how we, experienced ABF accredited umpires handle such situations with players who wish to dip. The spectator may never see, or notice the change of the players attitude during the game. We could swing a big heavy bat and enforce the rule in front of everyone, then probably end up with an ejection.
A quite whisper into a players or Managers ear is all that is needed usually.
Situation 1: At the plate, if they want to spit, they have mainly 3 choices, loose it, swallow it or be ejected. To spit at the plate, is showing disrespect to the official doing the game, clubby, QBUA or ABF umpire, it's disrespect to the position, and shows non acceptance of the rules.
Situation 2: Players on the field, or in the dugout, (SPITTING) NOTE: We are not going to chase them around the field looking for it, we can wait. A break in play, such as change of inning is a good time, I personally will stare at them, how long can they keep the spit in their mouth. We have not got eyes in the back or our heads, we don't see everything other people see. Players are always waiting for the umpire to turn away and not see them. A quite whisper to them or their manager usually does the job, if that player tells us they are not dipping, then they should prove it, show us what is in their mouth. What is they don't want to show, then swallow it or be ejected. If they don't want to listen, don't blame us for what may happen.
It is a Manager responsibility for the conduct of their players during the game.
Situation 3: Can in the pocket. Why is it their, for a purpose or using it or just to look cool. Even if it is a can for chewing gum,M & M's or seeds, if it looks like a dip can, they can not carry it on them, it looks like a dip can. Get rid of it or be ejected.
It is easy and simple really, don't have it on you. If you run the risked of being caught, and you are given a directive and you don't follow that directive, you eject yourself, we are mearly telling everyone that you are no longer in the game.
I hope this helps people deal with the situation.
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Dipping
Oct 5, 2009 19:05:41 GMT 10
Post by a rod on Oct 5, 2009 19:05:41 GMT 10
thanks for that qbua, thats does help a bit but there is one thing wrong with it, i have seen an umpire spitting the dip out, so would that rule apply to the umpires as well?
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Dipping
Oct 5, 2009 19:25:50 GMT 10
Post by QBUA on Oct 5, 2009 19:25:50 GMT 10
thanks for that qbua, thats does help a bit but there is one thing wrong with it, i have seen an umpire spitting the dip out, so would that rule apply to the umpires as well? Thanks Snake. If I used a big stick, there are Rules in the umpires section of the rule book, this is something an umpire or referee should never do. Maybe a quite word in his ear might work. I'm trying to see the situation here, did they dump the dip out of the lip before coming onto the field, on the field, or they were dipping and spitting during the game? The teams may allow this, or tolerate it, but if the players, kids in the crowd, or any one else seeing this thinks it's ok, it is not. We, the ABF accrd umpires are governed by a code of conduct, which we abide by all the time. Some of our guys do eat seeds during the game, but usually you can see the shells fly off in the wind. I'll have a chat to someone to see how to help you with this situation without having a big verbal on the field.
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Dipping
Oct 15, 2009 4:14:58 GMT 10
Post by theriv on Oct 15, 2009 4:14:58 GMT 10
nothing like seeing a young kid slide headfirst into 3rd swallowing there chew and throwing up everywhere...no one cares if you dip or not, just be appropriate, play well and play hard and no one will care what you do.
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