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Post by 44 on Aug 10, 2009 16:52:34 GMT 10
Season 09-10, why not 3 Divisions for 14s and 16's. ?Limit Div1 and Div2 at 8 teams for 14s and 16's each. Pro and Cons  |
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Aug 10, 2009 23:13:54 GMT 10
Repetition of opposition?
I think a better idea would be first half of the season have division 1 & 2 and then after Christmas, split division 2 into pools (effectively division two and three)
Perhaps same with U20's with one division splitting into two?
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Post by 44 on Aug 11, 2009 14:26:46 GMT 10
Repetition of opposition? I think a better idea would be first half of the season have division 1 & 2 and then after Christmas, split division 2 into pools (effectively division two and three) Perhaps same with U20's with one division splitting into two? RL juniors use to regrade after 3 Rounds, last season they re-graded after 7 rounds. I realise junior Baseball does not have the luxury of a 21 week season + Finals or the amount of Clubs/teams as Junior RL. go to Stingers.net.auBrisbane Junior RL goes down to maybe 5 divisions from U11 and older, 8 teams max per division. Clubs with multiple teams must name "core players" in higher grade by a certain date, they cannot play down a division after cutoff, but during a grading round process, teams and even kids within each club could be graded up or down for the right fit. I've seen many kids not cut out for Premier Division happier to play League in a lower division, and no one wants to see RL or Baseball Junior teams flogged each week.
Last years baseball fixture records show 22x16 teams and 22x14 teams not including Gold Coast teams in 14's. Overall 16's and 14's looked like even comps last season, but there were some huge mismatches that i'm sure the kids on both teams did not enjoy... Or the parents. Why not 14s and 16s = 3 levels: Majors(8)-AAA(8)-AA(remaining teams) The division placement of Junior teams has no bearing on ML criteria for Seniors/Majors. Certain amount of grading rounds then BQ can step in and regrade teams as needed and Clubs with Multi teams are able to regrade players with BQ approval ....? |
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Post by BQ Moderator on Aug 25, 2009 22:32:39 GMT 10
The idea of 3 Divisions instead of just 2 in 14's and 16's seems worth discussing more.
Any input?
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Post by ces on Oct 6, 2009 21:04:07 GMT 10
AFL uses a grading system in Brisbane from U12's up whereby the 1st 3 games of the season act as grading games and do not count towards points, in other words, playing trials. Historically, some clubs will always have Div 1 team, but it provides some guidance in regard to the others "on the edge". Isn't perfect but probably assists to a degree to prevent the floggings that may occur. 8 team divisions each playing twice works well. My son's AFL club played Div 1 in a 6 team competition which played each other 3 times for exact reason of avoiding mismatches. The Div 2 competiton then had 10 teams playing twice etc. Seemed to work well.
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Post by 44 on Oct 22, 2009 12:34:14 GMT 10
AFL uses a grading system in Brisbane from U12's up whereby the 1st 3 games of the season act as grading games and do not count towards points, in other words, playing trials. Historically, some clubs will always have Div 1 team, but it provides some guidance in regard to the others "on the edge". Isn't perfect but probably assists to a degree to prevent the floggings that may occur. 8 team divisions each playing twice works well. My son's AFL club played Div 1 in a 6 team competition which played each other 3 times for exact reason of avoiding mismatches. The Div 2 competiton then had 10 teams playing twice etc. Seemed to work well. Ces, Rugby League Juniors last season went from 3 to 7 grading games, then 2 full 14 rounds home and away across as many as 6 Divisions with 8 clubs in each. Some Junior RL Premier Divisions only had 6 Teams that suited that standard. Looking at the U14 baseball Ladder it seems to me that 3 Divisions is the way to go for sure after the 3rd Round is done with 14 rounds remaining. At the very least there are some teams that need re-grading in Div2. Floggings each week are no good for either team which is why I believe 3 Divisions would help talent match the teams more evenly. |
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Post by wildpitch23 on Oct 22, 2009 13:43:09 GMT 10
I agree with these comments. BQ should look at all competitions after the first 5 games or so and reassess if teams are in the correct division for everyone's sake. Have a look at the results of the U20 Pool B games so far. One team has won by more than 20 runs in both games ... should probably be in the top pool. In U16 Div 1, there are two teams from one club and one should clearly be in the lower division.
These teams were no doubt graded in their divisions with the best of intentions but once the games start and a definite trend is established, moves should be made for the sake of the players and the competition. No floggings, please!!
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Oct 22, 2009 13:56:30 GMT 10
Under 14 Division 1
PHL 40 Carina 0
Come on. You don't do that in juniors
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Post by oldmate on Oct 22, 2009 19:47:02 GMT 10
jra, you do when your club bases how good your coaches are by how many games they win. not by how many border line players or new players they can teach and develop into good players.
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Post by oldmate on Oct 22, 2009 19:53:01 GMT 10
lets take the U14 div 1 comp, you have 11 teams. nobody plays everyone twice during the season. some have 1 bye some have 2. why not play the first 4 or 5 weeks with no points, get a feel for what div you should be in, then start the season with 1 round, everyone plays everyone once then a final series. how unfair will it be for the teams who play metro.... i mean pine hills twice. some teams will play the team coming last twice, that might be the difference between finishing the season in 4th or 5th place.
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Post by Ryn on Oct 28, 2009 8:01:53 GMT 10
jra, you do when your club bases how good your coaches are by how many games they win. not by how many border line players or new players they can teach and develop into good players. Are you implying that's with PHL do? |
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Post by oldmate on Oct 28, 2009 18:07:29 GMT 10
No Ryn i'm not pointing the finger at PH's. But that is how some clubs rate their coaches. But I do have a gripe with PH's, I was at the 40-0 game against Carina when PH's bunted with a 38 run lead... How does humiliating your opponent keep players in this game?
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Post by 44 on Oct 28, 2009 18:13:57 GMT 10
No Ryn i'm not pointing the finger at PH's. But that is how some clubs rate their coaches. But I do have a gripe with PH's, I was at the 40-0 game against Carina when PH's bunted with a 38 run lead... How does humiliating your opponent keep players in this game? I agree 100% with oldmate, knows who I am and the Coaches did not call it but a 12 year old pulled that stupid play himself. It was Cr@p and he got told big time after the game and next training. I was there as a non Coach on the day but was disgusted when I saw it. This brings me to another question, if games go that way in Juniors and a team has trouble getting outs, is switch hitting for the team way ahead acceptable to try and make outs? |
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Post by wildpitch23 on Oct 29, 2009 0:26:05 GMT 10
An email from BQ today states that Carina is moving their U16 Div 1s to the Div 2 comp. They have only played 2 games....I don't think that this is enough to ascertain whether they are in the right comp or not even though one of their losses was substantial. BQ say that they will accept this move. What happens now with points when they come across to the Div 2s. This is why you need to have grading rounds where the points don't count. Are they looking at the other results in U16s and U14s or are they just waiting for clubs to request moves? I know of at least one other team in U16D2 which, in my opinion, is not up to the standard of the comp.
Also, why are all ladders using winning percentages and U16 and 14 Div 2s have points?
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Post by wildpitch23 on Oct 29, 2009 0:27:23 GMT 10
Sorry, I was referring to a team in U16 D1 not D2!
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