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Post by starman on Mar 2, 2009 17:32:56 GMT 10
After looking at the under 20 ladder, i was wondering how do wests qualify for finals?
If in the case of tied points i was under the impression that it was decided by head to head?
If so windsor has beaten wests and would pressumably be ranked higher?
Can anyone tell me why this isnt so on the current ladder.
Thanks
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Post by starman on Mar 2, 2009 20:00:37 GMT 10
Very confusing!
If it went on for and against then wests would not make the finals as both windsor and padres have beaten them, as have pine hills.
I just dont have a clue how this works either?
In a forfeit is the winning team credited with any runs?
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Post by puff on Mar 2, 2009 20:23:35 GMT 10
Starman, Wests actually beat Pine Hills so its not straight forward.
On my calculations on the runs for and against in games between the four teams Pine Hills have the best so they would come 4th. Then Windsor and Padres have beaten wests head to head so wests would be gone.
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Post by puff on Mar 2, 2009 21:43:18 GMT 10
There's your problem. Everyone has beaten someone and lost to someone else. How do you split them? Runs for and against in the games played between those 4 teams. This would leave Pine Hills in 4th position and then padres and Windsor beat Wests in games so Wests would be eliminated. Windsor and Padres were washed out but Windsor have a better for and against so , Pine Hills 4th, Windsor 5th and Padres 6th. BUT, how BQI choose to do it is anyone's guess. |
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Post by starman on Mar 3, 2009 7:08:54 GMT 10
Thanks for this guys, i can see what you are saying.
I guess its just all up to BQI then.
Is there any rule stating exactly how the teams will be split
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Post by 44 on Mar 3, 2009 11:38:32 GMT 10
3.53 Should any two or more teams finishing in the top three positions after completion of fixtures be tied, BQ shall allocate places using the following criteria:
a) Head to head for the teams for the season.
b) Then runs for and against, head to head for the season.
c) Win-loss percentage for the season (Juniors Only).
d) Then runs for and against overall for the season.
From GBL by-laws, but why just top 3 ? With 14 Teams and only 16 Rounds, the matchups are always going to be uneven unless the season was only 13 Games. Then you still have uneven home and away status.
How would you fit in 26 even 13A/13H Rounds for U20's considering most also play Seniors?
The default score for forfeit is 9-0, Losing team gets 1 Pt in GBL Juniors but if forfeit Loss =Zero pts.
The rules and by-laws are on the BQ website.
I'll also add that the MyComp system does not compute head to head results. It's a handy Tool but the software does not yet allow to show a head to head criteria, It has been developed for baseball and softball across Australia and there are so many variations on how Local comps are run across Australia, impossible to have all those variations programmed into MyComp.
Originally used in Victoria, the system only showed Points and Runs for and against percentage. I had the software developers add MLB based win percentage formula (games won divided by games played )as that is how the GBL/BQ Major A Comp is decided.
With uneven games during a season, possibly win percentage only should be the 1st criteria next season for Juniors also?
The definative final 6 order will come from GBL/BQ.
Having 4 teams all tied on points for the finals must be rare.
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Post by bronco on Mar 3, 2009 14:10:54 GMT 10
Please tell me how it can be possible that 3 v 5 & 4 v 6. Isn't the higher ranked team supposed to play the lower ranked team. So in Qld it is better to finish 4th than 3rd.
Surely this is a misprint!
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Post by 44 on Mar 3, 2009 14:29:30 GMT 10
Please tell me how it can be possible that 3 v 5 & 4 v 6. Isn't the higher ranked team supposed to play the lower ranked team. So in Qld it is better to finish 4th than 3rd. Surely this is a misprint! 1,2 straight through makes sense. Surely it must be 3 V 6 and 4 V 5  |
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Post by starman on Mar 3, 2009 16:10:47 GMT 10
well the winner of the 3 v 5 match plays second not first place to get into the grand final.
Maybe this has somehting to do with it?
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Post by puff on Mar 3, 2009 16:26:26 GMT 10
In previous years 3v6 and 4v5 and the No 1 team would play the lowest ranked winner.
Its only common sense.
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Post by bronco on Mar 4, 2009 11:27:49 GMT 10
So they have finally done the top 6 but looks like they stuffed up. Please let me know if I am wrong or your opinion. Windsor were top head to head so they advance to 4th. That leaves Padres, Pine Hills & West. Head to Head they all beat each other so points for and against count which means Pine Hills should advance to 5th. That leaves Padres & Wests in which Padres beat Wests Head to Head so Padres should advance to 6th spot. Wests are out.
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Post by puff on Mar 4, 2009 13:13:09 GMT 10
Bronco, you are correct and it has been amended but what about 3v5 and 4v6. Surely someone from BQI can explain this logic to everyone. No 3 has to play a higher ranked team than the 4th team, seems like a disadvantage to have finished higher on the ladder? ?? |
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Post by 44 on Mar 4, 2009 13:32:32 GMT 10
You're a deadset genius Bronco.. clock up a win for you or the forum power. I did not care to figure out the U20 ladder problem, my brain started to hurt.
Kudos to you and BQ for figuring it out.
I still do not understand why not 3 v 6 and 4 v 5 myself ?
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Post by puff on Mar 4, 2009 15:03:09 GMT 10
Why won't BQI answer a simple question? I know they read this forum.
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Post by ck on Mar 4, 2009 20:53:02 GMT 10
Why won't BQI answer a simple question? I know they read this forum. Just email them directly or ask a club rep. |
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