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Post by puff on Aug 29, 2009 9:38:33 GMT 10
puff, do you not remember Bill Cutshall - played soooo long at Surfers, didn't they make him a life member? Yeh, I remember Bill. American who I think played 2 years for the Dolphins, his 1st year being the year Daikyo were champions. Left handed hitter with plenty of power and also pitched a bit.
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Post by madmax on Aug 29, 2009 23:10:47 GMT 10
so you guys think you're smarter than the guys running the ACB, NRL, AFL, FFA, etc? these organisations have spent tens of thousands of dollars to really smart people tinker with their comps to make them better and more spectator-friendly. their runs are on the board with the size and strength of their comps. the only comment you can make is a whinge: "you can't compare us and them, they're too big". you obviously have really small dreams. why reinvent the wheel when you can copy someone smarter and richer than you to achieve their success? sports administrators are crossing codes all the time. you guys can't hire someone like ribot or o'neill because he would kick you all to the kerb for your rigid thinking. put frank lowy in charge of baseball and it will be ten times stronger in 5 years time. none of these guys would "administer the sport" of baseball by saying "oh no! we can't drop surfers paradise from a brisbane competition because they produced a gazillion champs like BIG JIM BATSPEED (what a character he was! remember his curveball?)". these sports administrators take the steps that are the best for the sport (not the individual club). this is what baseball needs in brisbane and australia not the same old hacks who trot out the same old pony year-in, year-out that we are supposed to ooh and aah over.
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Post by pope on Aug 30, 2009 6:56:52 GMT 10
so you guys think you're smarter than the guys running the ACB, NRL, AFL, FFA, etc? madmax, do you remember when the NRL (then NSWRL) allowed Brisbane into the comp? The AFL (then VFL) allowed Sydney and later a Brisbane team? And now soccer has bought in a Gold Coast team into their comp. And you want to dump one of the strongest teams in out comp? So what makes you smarter than the guys you quoted?
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Post by snoball on Aug 30, 2009 8:54:34 GMT 10
max! Ha, I love it!
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Post by sc on Aug 31, 2009 10:08:37 GMT 10
madmax, when you say gold coast do you mean distance geographically from brisbane or do you mean teams in the GCBA? If your distinction is distance then you can exclude Surfers Paradise, Mudgeeraba, Toowoomba and Beenleigh all places with shire councile outside the Brisbane region. This can then extend to possibly Redcliffe, Ipswich and Narangba. Now you take the left over clubs and they are your Major 8 How many of these clubs are in positive growth locations? 'Pine Hills' springs to mind, How many are not? Windsor, Hendra, Runcorn, Pine Rivers, now lets assume the current populations of these areas provide enough Junior support to maintain the status quo. Does this increase the standard of baseball in brisbane? Does this 'increase' the level of interest in baseball? Do we expect the clubs in positive growth areas to provide all this new interest and better standard? Where do the 'other' clubs you speak of come from for promotion relegation? How does this bode for QLD baseball? Excluding growth areas from the premier competition seems counter productive to achieve the goals you speak of.
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Post by madmax on Aug 31, 2009 16:27:16 GMT 10
thank you for making my arguments for me! quoting nswrl (defunct), vfl (defunct), asf (defunct) hardly seems a strong argument. perhaps you mean "new brisbane baseball comp" (defunct) in a few years time. those old organisations have gone the way of the dinosaur just as the brisbane comp ultimately must because they are run in the same way by the same sort of people as run the BQI. further, it seems you are all against the new format for the comp too because you speak of "growing" the competition (more teams) when the new format calls for cutting the teams to 8 for majors. the question is "which teams will you cut?". I have a problem with the new format because of this business of "finish top 8 on the table and you go into majors, subject to meeting criteria". that is just a wimp's way of saying, you are out of the comp if you don't meet the criteria. so surfer's "strength" as a club is totally irrelevant if they don't meet the required criteria. it's just no one has the guts to turf the non-compliers out. you will see the whingeing on all sides when after round 7.5 clubs with terrible facilities finish top 8 and club's with great facilities finish bottom 7. is the BQI going to have the guts to tell a top 8 finisher "sorry boys, you're out as you don't even have lighting at your grounds even though you finished 2nd on the table"? my bet is "no" (just look at last year's sorry example when they tried to exclude someone). you can bet the guys running the footy (all types) can make the hard decisions. baseball does not. until it does, we are locked in to the level, standard, financial situation, etc we are currently in.
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Post by sc on Aug 31, 2009 19:13:26 GMT 10
madmax the difference with this years competition model is everyone knows the criteria and the consequences from the beginning. The new formet is a step in a different direction it remains to be seen whether it is forward or back however the vast majority of people involved in the sport agree and understand that the previous model was not beneficial for baseball in queensland. When you state criteria there is more to it then facilities, there are senior and junior commitments that must be met, this is where your idea of the best 8 facilities are the top 8 is flawed. You can have your bet as you have stated however be prepared to back it up with educated and researched statements before your air it in a public forum. Lets see how the format plays out before we condemn it before a ball has been pitched.
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Post by pope on Sept 1, 2009 18:06:31 GMT 10
thank you for making my arguments for me! quoting nswrl (defunct), vfl (defunct), asf (defunct) hardly seems a strong argument. Max, they are not defunct, they have all grown. As I pointed out previously, these other sports have all expanded and now have stronger comps with a strong supporter base, and despite this you want to shrink the baseball comp and dump the one of the strongest clubs..................
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Post by madmax on Sept 2, 2009 15:56:31 GMT 10
you mean dumped like the rabbitohs? regardless of their "strength", the arl kicked them out. thankfully, no brisbane baseball clubs have a multi-millionaire movie star bankrolling their court appeals once they get turfed out. and I am not "shrinking" the baseball comp to 8 teams. the BQI are doing that. if you think the "pacific league" teams are going to end up anywhere except on the scrap heap in 2-3 years, you are in for a rude shock. that's why the first 7.5 weeks will be the best, most competitive baseball you will ever see in brisbane as teams desperately try and avoid the cut. you will also hear the yowling from the bottom 7 clubs when the final tables are struck in week 7.5. this will be followed by time wasting with appeals processes as club try and "justify" their exclusion.
my point from the beginning is that this should have been done 6 months ago to allow all this nonsense to run it's course but the current management do not have the guts to make such decisions, instead wimping out with the "preliminary comp" to try and get out of make a hard decision about who is in and who is out.
it is only my personal view that any team more than 40km from the brisbane GPO would have to make a fantastic case to be included. simply saying "I won the grand final for the last 5 years" is nowhere near enough. how many premierships did the rabbitohs win, I wonder...
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Post by T on Sept 2, 2009 16:32:52 GMT 10
Gotta give him credit, he keeps throwing that line in there.
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Post by snoochies on Sept 2, 2009 18:18:57 GMT 10
how many premierships did the rabbitohs win, I wonder... Rabbitohs have won more premierships than any other team in history. Why would you want to shrink an already small sport to within 40km of Brissy?
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