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Post by nuffie on Jul 15, 2009 20:46:46 GMT 10
I am sure if clubs knock off a couple of grand of what they pay their A grade coach, they might be able to afford aditional equipment.
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Post by T on Jul 16, 2009 2:19:53 GMT 10
they start quickly, don't they. one post and already insinuating
It's up to a club what they spend their money on. It's not really that hard to get together a few baum bats for your guys to swing. If your club feels like handing guys real wood bats and replacing them every 30 at-bats, who is anyone to judge?
Baum bats work out cheaper than your $800 thin-walled kevlar-titanium-kryptonite technology bats which break after half a season anyway.
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Post by snoball on Jul 16, 2009 8:22:13 GMT 10
You're right, teabag. I'm not sure if the metal bats are worth what people pay. Some Baums last forever.
Used to be that we had one metal bat to share among the team. Then guys started buying their own. Now some players have 3 or 4 bats themselves.
I'd prefer wood in Major A's -- but imagine the bombs hit and runs scored if A's used tin! Pitchers would cry about their ERA's skyrocketing. --
I am looking forward to this new format -- to see if it has any effect on quality of play and number of fans at the games.
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Post by 44 on Jul 24, 2009 13:29:11 GMT 10
NCAA is the highest league in the world that uses metal, and the standing by the NCAA is a very controversial one. A-Grade should use wood, Pacific or Major. Most B-Graders use wood anyway as do many decent older juniors as it it compulsory in U-18 nationals. Not only Metal JRA but Compo bats also. An acquaintance of mine is a Bat manufacturer in So. California , I have one of his Junior -5 Bats but they are not currently sold in Australia yet. ( Alloy/Metal) Below is a transcript he was sent from NCAA regarding Use of Composite bats. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Now that this document has been published in several places and we have heard from several of the organizing bodies I submit for your review the whole of the document (less the personal contact info)and later I will let you know the reactions of the organizing bodies that have commented. Pretty interesting to see how this sort of drama plays out.
MEMORANDUM
July 17, 2009
TO: College Baseball Bat Manufacturers.
FROM: Bob Brontsema, chair NCAA Baseball Rules Committee.
SUBJECT: Composite Bat Moratorium.
This correspondence is being sent on behalf of the Baseball Rules Committee, alerting the college baseball bat manufacturing community to an important action being taken in regard to certain bats that have been used in NCAA competition. After significant dialog and review of research collected during the Division I Baseball Championship, the committee is proposing an immediate and indefinite moratorium on the use of composite barreled bats. The committee believes this action is needed in order to protect the integrity of the game and to enhance the safety of the student-athletes.
Before the committee’s recent meeting, numerous concerns were voiced by the membership with a request for action. After a thorough review of compliance testing and a review of the improved performance of composite bats, often exceeding NCAA acceptable limits, these concerns have proven to be valid. Therefore, the committee has decided to put an immediate and indefinite moratorium on the use of composite bats in NCAA competition.
The research reviewed included compliance testing during the Division I Baseball Championship. During this testing, 80 percent of the composite bats tested failed the current NCAA performance level. Because all bat designs must pass this test before mass production, this research indicates that the performance of such bats changed thereafter, most likely due to repeated, normal use and/or intentional alteration. Offensive statistics at the Division I level also indicate a significant increase in batting averages and home runs the past two seasons.
By proposing a moratorium, the committee is not necessarily discarding the possibility of a return of composite bats to NCAA competition at some point in the future, and looks forward to working with manufacturers in an attempt to find a solution towards that end.
The committee requests your feedback and proposed solutions to this issue. Please send any feedback to xx xxxxxx at the NCAA (xxxxxxx@ncaa.org).
Thank you for your attention to this memorandum.
BB:nkb
Sounds very much like Composite carbon Fibre Bats might be banned from all NCAA games soon, it will be interesting to see the flow down effect from that into USA Juniors, LL and indeed our own Aussie leagues. In USA Softball and Baseball, Compo bats are altered by shaving the inside layers off with a lathe, making a more trampoline effect on the sweet spot but renders a short and dangerous life span for the bat.
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Post by madmax on Aug 27, 2009 18:18:19 GMT 10
if you think the new format will make a difference to baseball, "tell him he's dreamin'". baseball is at least 10 years behind soccer and 20 years behind rugby league. the "new" format is the same thing soccer did about 13 years ago except they had people in leadship positions who were not afraid to make the hard decisions. for example, I don't care what super-fantastic history your club has behind it. if you don't currently have the facilities required, you are GONE. as for clubs like toowoomba and gold coast, they have their own competitions. why are they even considered in the brisbane comp which clearly has too many clubs? the 8 brisbane clubs with the BEST facilities are in, everyone else YOU'RE GONE. then every season, you have relegation/promotion but don't bother applying if your facilities are at least as good as the worst club in the premier division. this is what soccer did and now they have a great comp and everyone is happy.
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Post by ramsrus on Aug 27, 2009 21:05:41 GMT 10
Madmax............... Very convienent to exclude the Gold Coast when Surfers Paradise has been one of the most successful clubs in the last few years.
Please don't compare baseball to rugby league - it may be bigger, but as a parent, I wouldn't want my child asociated with it. The same people who made the "hard decisions" to improve league also turned a blind eye to immoral and illegal activities. There is something to be said for respecting history. I doubt very much everyone in soccer is happy.
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Post by 17starter on Aug 27, 2009 21:44:49 GMT 10
Surfers paradise has a superb record in conducting games and events from local little league to this years National LL titles, numerous state titles , dozens of visiting teams,Years of Pan Pac Games (104 games in 7 days with 2 days rain in 08 with 1 wash out. I know cause it was my game against the lowest team and the win would have put us in the finals)). They have probably about 20 people who would volunteer between 5 to 20 hours per week to the club and as rams r us says have set the bench mark for the brisbane major league for the last 7 years and have produced Australian, State, PROFESSIONAL, TRENT DURRINGTON( 131 Game Major Leaguer) Ben Foster ABF, Tony Mcphail(President) Diamond Awards winner Volunteer of the year and it goes all the way back to ' 88 my friend when surfers was a feeder club to the Daikyo Dolphins. Narangbar has a nice new clubhouse and batting cage faciltitys and the field and lights are good but struggle each year, your theroy is crap
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Post by 17starter on Aug 27, 2009 21:55:59 GMT 10
Clearly you weren't around during the ABL Madfacts,the minute the ABC started broadcasting games it took off, if ONE HD grabs it the same will happen again and only then will enough revenue occur to finance facility upgrades..30 specators is a great crowd for an A grade game,most fri nightsand sundays there are 6 to 12 watching (except maybe Pine Hills, ) ,sorry plus 4 canteen staff.
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Aug 27, 2009 22:34:59 GMT 10
Madmax, that is a really poorly thought out comment. You can't compare a majority junior sport like soccer and rugby league to baseball, they have numbers to play with and we don't. If you get rid of clubs without the volunteer base or facilities at the moment you will kill the sport.
By the way, I don't believe Toowoomba has had a proper baseball competition for over a decade. Once you start cutting off ties with certain parts of the Brisbane League you end up with baseball graveyards like the Sunny Coast
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Post by puff on Aug 28, 2009 14:23:28 GMT 10
and it goes all the way back to ' 88 my friend when surfers was a feeder club to the Daikyo Dolphins. 17 starter, Surfers and the other 50 odd clubs were feeder clubs for the dolphins. Your quote did sound impressive but don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. I agree Surfers Paradise are probably the premier club in Qld at the moment.
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Post by pope on Aug 28, 2009 19:24:22 GMT 10
if as for clubs like toowoomba and gold coast, they have their own competitions. why are they even considered in the brisbane comp which clearly has too many clubs? Maybe BQ want the best teams in the GBL comp................
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Post by 17starter on Aug 28, 2009 19:27:12 GMT 10
Yeah thats right, a feeder club , not "the" feeder club, I can name 8 players instantly,, there goes your free fastball...Also I forgot Athens Olympic Sliver Gold Medallist and former NY Mets pro Wayne Ough from last nights list
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Post by 17starter on Aug 28, 2009 19:35:24 GMT 10
Thats right Pope, BQ need the best product to offer to sponsors to help grow the game. The cream will rise in the next 10 weeks
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Post by puff on Aug 28, 2009 20:37:42 GMT 10
Yeah thats right, a feeder club , not "the" feeder club, I can name 8 players instantly,, there goes your free fastball...Also I forgot Athens Olympic Sliver Gold Medallist and former NY Mets pro Wayne Ough from last nights list Ok starter17, you've stoked my curiosity. Who are the 8 Surfers Paradise players that played for the Daikyo Dolphins?
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Post by williemays_hays on Aug 29, 2009 8:41:45 GMT 10
puff, do you not remember Bill Cutshall - played soooo long at Surfers, didn't they make him a life member?
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