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Post by puff on Dec 29, 2008 15:01:07 GMT 10
Snoball and ramsfan44 seem to be in the know. If MLB fund a league in Australia it is to develop more players to play in the big leagues which would develop their brand globally. Unfortunately some local players may miss out but if they are good enough they would have been signed or for those who have been released have had their chance. Minor League baseball is the same, players from that organisation play there and the rosters change every year. Honestly, the Claxton Shield games played in Brisbane over the last few years havn't drawn crowds so why would it be different because it's called a National League. Give the fans a chance to see high quality baseball consistently and baseball may start to turn around.
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Post by snoball on Dec 29, 2008 18:04:42 GMT 10
ramsfan44 -- They'll send him to a league that will be a challenge for him. That's why it's important for administrators here to understand that this league isn't merely a step up from club teams (I'm leaving Claxton Shield out of the argument as I feel it really has been a waste of time this year--again). The new ABL needs to be a competitive league, Therefore, unsigned, released, Indep League, players on the cusp and former IBLA stars need not apply.
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Post by 17starter on Dec 29, 2008 22:42:31 GMT 10
Will snoballs be allowed to apply?
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Post by yamagutchi on Dec 30, 2008 1:48:10 GMT 10
SnoBall if the ABL (if it does kick off) is only for Minor league players and us import minor league players.. what about the likes of Oxpring (who signed from independant baseball and went practically straight to the bigs) well he plays in the Korean big leagues is he to play? or burnside?.... or your guys like utting?... or your helms award winning indy baller Brad Dutton? I agree that there will be player imports and pro ballers.... but dont think for one second released guys and indy ballers would make the league less talented... take Twins release Peter Moylan who signed again 6 years later, he's looking farely succesful last time i checked!
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Post by snoball on Dec 30, 2008 3:02:51 GMT 10
Yamagutchi -- by their status of being unsigned players, they are designated as less talented. I havent heard whether or not Aussie pro players from other countries (Japan, Korea, Taiwan) would be included in the team -- all I have heard is that the teams will be stocked by players from US Minor Leagues and that a number of MLB clubs will be responsible for each team. I dont think the league will be set up to "find" talent, so no need to include Independent players or non-signed players. You will find that a lot of "quality" players won't be playing in the league, purely because of the design of it. From the discussions I have had with those involved, the league will be designed to be a Winter League for pro's from MLB clubs. Maybe someone should put together an Independent team -- and showcase unsigned players and Ind League guys.
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Post by 17starter on Dec 30, 2008 8:46:54 GMT 10
Ok own up , who took my Karma.
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Post by JRA Qld2 on Dec 30, 2008 10:54:19 GMT 10
I want to know what snoball was doing up at 3:02am posting lol
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Post by puff on Dec 30, 2008 11:00:44 GMT 10
17starter, I believe it was Daniel Berg. lol
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Post by 44 on Dec 30, 2008 11:32:54 GMT 10
LMAO
.... 17starter.. I have given you 2 "thumbs up" mate , being Xmas and all. Your posts are always interesting and full of spirit.
+ 1 to Puff for the funny Zinger..
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Post by 17starter on Dec 30, 2008 11:35:33 GMT 10
Again with the Berg thing Here's how it went down Naughto calls the game right.. Agreed 1st pitch FB strike 2nd pitch " strike 3rd pitch FB up in ball 4th pitch FB low out foul/strike 5th pitch " " " " " 6th pitch " up " " " 7th pitch " low " " " 8th pitch change inside low. you know the rest I open myself to criticism How would you have thrown him? huh
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Post by 44 on Dec 30, 2008 11:49:41 GMT 10
"Yamagutchi -- by their status of being unsigned players, they are designated as less talented. I havent heard whether or not Aussie pro players from other countries (Japan, Korea, Taiwan) would be included in the team -- all I have heard is that the teams will be stocked by players from US Minor Leagues and that a number of MLB clubs will be responsible for each team. I dont think the league will be set up to "find" talent, so no need to include Independent players or non-signed players. You will find that a lot of "quality" players won't be playing in the league, purely because of the design of it. From the discussions I have had with those involved, the league will be designed to be a Winter League for pro's from MLB clubs. Maybe someone should put together an Independent team -- and showcase unsigned players and Ind League guys."
If you scan through the rosters of Winter Hawaiian and Puerto Rican Leagues there is a sprinkling of Japanese Team Players, Indy League players and un-signed Free agents.
I would find it hard to believe players the calibre of B Dutton, Goofy etc. could not make a new ABL team.
If it is totally governed from the USA Minors, possibly another Brisbane or Gold Coast Independant team that was Corporate backed is a great Idea as Snoball mentioned.
Of course.. still much speculation, rumours and guesswork about the whole thing. But would MLB allow an Independant team in the ABL comp? What if one of the contracted team players gets injured by an Indy player?
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Post by 17starter on Dec 30, 2008 12:13:26 GMT 10
Just out of interest . What would it cost(roughly) to run a team for a year. What if the govt , federal/state/local chiped in and gave money to ABF to run an aussie only team?
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Post by yamagutchi on Dec 30, 2008 13:11:53 GMT 10
Point taken about the ABL being run by US orgs.... but being signed does not say your more talented than the unsigned player... would you say signed Justin Erasmus or unsigned Mark Kelly is more talented?? you have a young signed player or a older (released) unsigned player??? or a Adam Blackley (released)..... now if your talking about having the league at an elite level... the young rookie ball guys that are freshly signed are way too raw.
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Post by ramsrus on Dec 30, 2008 14:07:08 GMT 10
Agree with yamagutchi, just because you are signed does not mean you are more talented. Mark Kelly and Adam Blackley are just two of the very talented players who are not signed or are released so it would be a real pity not to see them in the "New ABL". Whatever we say, the powers that be will do as they see fit. If these guys are included and I hope they are, it may give them the exposure they need to get a chance or another chance. I don't believe players who are released are always "not good enough". Sometimes things totally outside of your control work against you or the opportunities don't present themselves quickly enough and you are gone. I would hope that the newly signed players appreciate the opportunities they have been given, believe in and use their potential wisely and acknowledge that they still have much to learn. Some young signed players may think or in some cases behave as though they are "big leaguers", but it takes more than a piece of paper and talent to even stay in the system. A few things Erasmus and some other rookie ball / newly signed players all around Australia bring to the table is energy, hunger for the game and an attititude of "never give up". They are not weary yet.
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Post by snoball on Dec 30, 2008 14:11:45 GMT 10
Who I see as being more talented is irrelevant. If MLB is investing money in the ABL, they are going to use it to facilitate their programs. It could be, that not all of our Australian signed players play in the ABL. They might be told to take the winter off, play in a stronger league, or whatever. But, if Milwaukee has put in $50,000 (I have no idea what the MLB will contribute per team) you can be assured that they will want their money to be put to good use for their club. So, I can't see them being happy if one of their players in on the bench while an unsigned Australian player is taking his spot on the field. You are, obviously, going to have a number of players in the stands who might be more talented but aren't on a team. Some because they have been released or are too young. Others because the same organizations that released them are now running the ABL teams. These teams have decided that they didn't have the talent. That's going to happen. But, I think the MLB is going to decide the structure and in a way that they will get some return on their money spent. Bottom line, this is a business.
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