Outer entry behind HR fence $2, bring your own drinks and seats, NO bottles allowed, cans only. Hot Dog Vendor and 2 Port-a-potties supplied out there.
Main Seating, prepaid tickets or $10 adult entry gets you prime seats. $5 entry gets you secondary seating behind 3rd and 1st base. All main stadium patrons can choose from either Burger Van or Holloway Canteen for food.
Re: RAMS Thread Mk II « Result #2 Today at 12:52pm »
Thanks, T, for the English lesson!!! Still taking into account all costs, there is no way I would spend $1000 a year on playing baseball. Perhaps you should ask Santa to bring you some new equipment and then you'll be able to afford the huge cost of watching the Rams play!!!
Rams44, I love your plan. Makes perfect sense and accomodates for everyone, even T ...is $2 OK, T?
Re: RAMS Thread Mk II « Result #3 Today at 12:19pm »
I would say a number were automatic selections. Wasn't Naughton overseas when the meeting and tryouts were held? Not sure. If we are selecting our best players, I would think a lot of them would be automatics -- whether or not they attend any meeting or try out. Personally, I would like to see them also play club ball, but some have been told by their pro clubs not to.
Re: RAMS Thread Mk II « Result #4 Today at 11:44am »
Hold on - I just read the old thread and it states only players who tryd out were able to play for Queensland, was Rhodes sent and S.O.S. to help the Rams out was he, what about other players that did try out, what are they chopt liver?
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Re: So, when does a time game end? « Result #5 Today at 11:28am »
I believe 15 minutes grace for late arrival is only in junior games as per 3.17 even though I have seen it used in seniors several times.
At the end of the day, if a manager or the teams fart asses around for long enough to delay the game that it will only go for 3 complete innings, then either only they have to blame for the 'no game' or the umpire wasn't in control enough to get the game moving. Realistically, the majority of SQBL A games will go for 5 or 6 complete innings, so you'd have to waste a good 20-30 minutes.
As for scenario B, I guess you just have to account for that situation at the start of the game, it may go in your favour or not. I know in softball, they have this rule in place for almost all junior games, a coach just has to adapt to deal with it.
If you're flogging someone, which is a situation where a technical 'no game' may be called, BQI have indicated that it will still be counted as a game, but there should be something in the by-laws rather than an informal indication.
Re: RAMS Thread Mk II « Result #6 Today at 11:11am »
Rory's one of the good young players on the team. Funny enough, he didn't know he was on the team. Hadn't gone to the meeting or the try outs. Great addition, though.
Re: So, when does a time game end? « Result #8 Yesterday at 10:21pm »
I reckon there are two issues. 1 - Good guidance on how to deal with a 'finish on time' game. 2 - The wisdom of having two different conventions in regular season.
Here are some more semi-structured thoughts.
If we take "finish on time" to mean "finish 2 hours after scheduled start time" (and I know some lawyers, bush and otherwise, who would argue that that is just one of a number of interpretations!) that then potentially puts a lot of pressure on the umpire. I know the UIC is the official timekeeper (unless delegated etc etc) but it's easy to create a number of scenarios (see a couple below) where a 'call the game' decision that varies by a minute or so in either direction can have a significant effect on the outcome.
In regular season the game is usually completed at a natural break in the game (ie half-inning), with the guidance that innings started before scheduled finish are completed. We have two mechanisms to deal with time overruns: 1) 30 minutes between games 2) later games still finish on scheduled time.
Yet on days with a double header, even with these controls, we invoke a variation.
The variation makes sense for tournament play because it's a clearly understood feature of the tournament, and with tight scheduling tournament directors don't want snowballing time overruns.
But in regular season, we play most games by one convention and a couple by another. And the thing is, there might only be three games on that day anyway!
I would like to see the by-laws clearer on this, because in one of those "this is the way we've always done things" discussions with agitated managers, unclear bylaws are less than helpful.
As for 'finish on time' scenarios, here's a couple:
A: Knowing that in a time game 4 (or 3.5) innings makes a regulation game, let's say we had a late start and slow game (15 min grace for late arrival, slow changes, several heated discussion with a manager, a couple of pitching changes) and we're only just into the top of the 4th when the umpire's watch shows scheduled finish time. Call it now, and we have a 'no game'.
B: Visiting team was leading at the end of the 4th, but now in the bottom of the 5th the score is tied, with the winning run on 2nd, and the watch shows scheduled finish time. Call it now and we have a regulation game and a visitor win on count back (I'm no expert on scoring but I think that's right). Call it in a couple of minutes and the home team might win.
I remember being a kid watching baseball at the old Musketeers ground and seeing the whole right field line crowded just for the basic run of the mill Friday night club game. Be great to see that again and whilst I was too young to remember, I have heard about the crowds at the old Claxton games and the people in those teams are still spoken about today. I guess you have to build a legacy and get people talking.
Yeah Snoochies, I remember it well at the old Booval Spring street field.. But maybe 50 adults and 30 kids made up a crowd there back in the '70s. When my team played Muskets, I was always one of those 20-30 kids having fun at Spring Street Booval.
We need that same atmosphere X 10 for the new ABL crowd numbers.
Re: RAMS Thread Mk II « Result #10 Yesterday at 5:59pm »
And remember not to disrespect the fans who stick by the sport through thick n thin. Snake50 could you please go on more about this, im interested into what is going on, you are talking about Shane Greer from Redcliffe Padres arn't you?
Re: RAMS Thread Mk II « Result #11 Yesterday at 5:51pm »
I remember being a kid watching baseball at the old Musketeers ground and seeing the whole right field line crowded just for the basic run of the mill Friday night club game. Be great to see that again and whilst I was too young to remember, I have heard about the crowds at the old Claxton games and the people in those teams are still spoken about today. I guess you have to build a legacy and get people talking.
Re: RAMS Thread Mk II « Result #12 Yesterday at 4:19pm »
well i personally wouldn't pay to watch them at the moment, due to the fact some of the politics that are going on in the rams squad. i thought this was ment to be the best player's in each state? i was there sat nite and watch three infielder's two of them are signed infielders play outfield and were the reason they lost. you have a guy sitting on the bench who is one of the best out fielder's in the state. does not make sence to me just because he is not from a certain club. thats all i will say on the matter. im a fan of qld baseball but doenst make andy sence to me.
$5 for the best seat in the house and $2 for the outers please
...and park a hot dog van behind centre field.
How about this plan:
Outer entry behind HR fence $2, bring your own drinks and seats, NO bottles allowed, cans only. Hot Dog Vendor and 2 Port-a-potties supplied out there.
Main Seating, prepaid tickets or $10 adult entry gets you prime seats. $5 entry gets you secondary seating behind 3rd and 1st base. All main stadium patrons can choose from either Burger Van or Holloway Canteen for food.
Re: RAMS Thread Mk II « Result #16 Yesterday at 3:07pm »
Is it really the cost of a ticket or food that stops people going? Its certainly what we all complain about after we've been but it's not the reason anybody I've asked has given for not going in the first place. I doubt a lot more people would go even if it were free! We all know how much movie tickets and cinema snacks cost but if it's a movie that got rave reviews, is well marketed and has an all star cast - does that stop us? The $100 family pass was excellent value but I dont think we will use all the tickets
Re: RAMS Thread Mk II « Result #18 Yesterday at 2:55pm »
Hey Buddy, You raised a whole bunch of good points. It seems to me that you are talking about "what brings people to the game" and this is really different to the issues in the old RAMS threads about "Fixing the team".
I've been saying for a while now, that the cheering side of the rams games is very quiet. I kind of like to get into the games and cheering out for a player once in a while is all part of it. I noticed on Saturday night, I was the only one cheering. My young 10 yr old is usually about as noisy as me when it comes to cheering but even he was reluctant to cheer on anyone, because he said to me "Dad, you're the only one cheering". When Watson got up to bat, I really wanted him to hit one out there, and I'm sure most of the people in the crowd wanted him too, but their voices were silent. I kind of felt funny that I was the only one cheering and I think this is sad for the game.
I think there are two different reasons why children come to a game and why adults come ... kids come to hang out with their friends, have some junk food, try and grab a couple of presents off Santa or Ronnie and generally get into kid's kind of stuff. In other states, they have jumping castles and other kinds of junk to keep the kids amused, and it pulls in the crowds ... big time. The thing is, it's entertainment for the kids.
Adults on the other hand come to watch the game, or talk to the other adults and again, it's entertainment for the adults.
The common thread between kids and adults is that it needs to be entertainment for both, and then both will come.
I'm not one to pay more than I have to, but if it's value for money, I'd still go to the game.
I realise that the old RAMS thread mostly talked about how to fix the team, but from my point of view, I just want to be entertained and so do my kids. Win loose or draw, I'd still go to watch them if I have a good time, and an important part of this is, I can't have a good time if my kids aren't having a good time. I also think that cheering for your team is an important part of getting into the game, and I for one, would really like to see more cheering!!!
Re: RAMS Thread Mk II « Result #20 Yesterday at 2:32pm »
For the Rams V Patriots in January "T". How much would you pay to go and watch?
I'm not sure of the profit margins or running costs but I'm thinking if this season Brisbane RAMS gets 400-500 a game and just keeps a nose over break even would be a good start before the main ABL marketing kicks in next season.
Winning more games would keep up sponsor interest of course.
One big positive from the saturday game was even with the horrible weather, a decent sized crowd still rolled up for the delayed double header from 6PM.
Unfortunately technology conspired against everyone to spoil the night.
I'm very positive that next season's Brisbane ABL will be bigger and better including the playing roster.
Hey T....how can they make "$100 profit off 5 people" when they only charge $10 per head? And if you are outlaying close to $1000 a year to play baseball in Brisbane, then you are with the wrong club!!!!
1. That's what they call an 'analogy'. That's like where people compare things
2. That's counting signon, equipment and uniform costs. Stuff needs replacing every year. You could probably even add fuel into that, if you need to make a few long trips a season. If you play the game yourself, add them up over the course of a season. You'll be surprised. Some clubs have hit $500 just for signon alone.
I will admit I don't know how much profit BQ is making from each entry and hot dog, for all we know their margins could be razor thin. I'd really like to see what kind of costs they have to outlay to make the shield work. Point is, when you're already donating that much of your paycheque to the game it makes it very hard to justify $10 to watch the same guys you can watch at your club for free. I think the cheapest Broncos ticket is still only around $18.
We played against Windsor the day after one series, they still had their 'Claxton Shield' price list up in the canteen. Basically, every food item was $1 more than during the club season. I'll admit they have one of the best dogs in the league but that's still quite insulting, especially when you've already shelled out to get in the door. Is a hot dog suddenly $1 more expensive to produce during claxton time? Who and where is that dollar going to?
Re: RAMS Thread Mk II « Result #22 Yesterday at 1:48pm »
As mush as averagejoe said in the old link, mostly bad, his/her points are the same about price etc so there is alot of people thinking along the same lines
Clubbys or pro's, no matter who is playing its the quality that brings people to the game, snake buddy are on page how bout you guys run the abl
Re: RAMS Thread Mk II « Result #23 Yesterday at 1:05pm »
Thanks Snake. We have been to a few home senior games, its hard with the kids already at Rep & Club training 4 nights/week, playing weekends.........but same thing there - we dont know who we are watching. There arn't even player profiles on the Rams website let alone at Club level.
Couple of other things.
My 10yo came back from autograph hunting and said "man Dad you should hear them swear" - something to think about.
The announcer said there was a silent auction for autographed Rams caps down beside 1st base dugout. The boys begged me to put in a bid for a couple of big names, I would have paid good money being xmas and all, a few of us went down there but couldnt find where they were doing it? Anyone know if that silent auction is still running?
Re: RAMS Thread Mk II « Result #24 Yesterday at 12:26pm »
well buddy you have a good point there, maybe next year the brisbane or qld team could have a few player's come and do stuff with juniors, since they are the role models of these younger kids.if you want to know more about the players in the team or the ones from your own club, maybe you could go watch them play on a sunday or a friday nite.
Re: RAMS Thread Mk II « Result #25 Yesterday at 11:07am »
Getting enjoyment out of watching sport is as much about personalities as it is about the game.
Us parents love watching our kids play at club level - we know everyone on the team and therefore a LL game can be just as exciting (or more) as a Claxton Shield game! We know who hit a HR last week or who has been dropping a few.
There were a lot of kids at Saturdays game (Padres & BNR LL?). Whenever a player they had remotely heard of came up to bat I watched them stop and look with great interest then continue on with whatever they were doing like annoying Ronnie. I found myself doing the same thing (except for the Ronnie bit). As a newbie to watching baseball at a senior level, I find myself never having heard of many of the players, or if I had then I didnt know what club they were from, their history etc etc and I cant keep up with all the team and position changes. Each week my kids say "Can we go - I think ........ is playing"? How many times did I drive all the way in to find they werent or were on the bench!
There was a big group of kids who got a huge kick out of chasing autographs during the rain delay. My 10yo son now has a ball signed by the whole Vic team and it is currently his proudest possession. He got a few Qld signatures after he eventually found their hiding spot! My older son still talks about the time he got to visit the Rams dugout. Has anyone seen the que for autographs at the Training With The Pro's days? How awesome would it have been if a few Rams players went and played yardball with the 30 or so kids mucking around behind the scoreboard?
My point is......... put some personality into the Claxton Shield, tell us more about these players and make us want to cheer for them, get them mixing with the kids and give them some heroes to look up to and aspire to be like. Ive been to an Angels game when Guerrero comes out to bat and the roar is deafening - I didnt hear one cheer on Saturday, even for players I'd heard of. I was sitting with families who had never heard of any of the players, not even those from their own club.
I used to go to every Intl Cricket game I could as a kid when Lillee, Thomo, the Chappels etc were playing. They had personality and heaps of publicity (some bad), since Warnie left I'd be lucky to name 3 players on the Aus team and havent watched it years. Its still the same game just no personality.
Scuse my naivety here but the diehard baseball fans are already hooked, its the masses like us that need to become interested and want a reason to come to the games (like the kids want to get more autographs).
Re: RAMS Thread Mk II « Result #26 Yesterday at 10:29am »
Hey T....how can they make "$100 profit off 5 people" when they only charge $10 per head? And if you are outlaying close to $1000 a year to play baseball in Brisbane, then you are with the wrong club!!!!
Re: RAMS Thread Mk II « Result #27 Yesterday at 8:16am »
I agree with T -- after paying thousands over the years, I can't see paying anything to watch clubbies play. Maybe that will change when/if we get a better standard of play happening. I've paid less to watch a MLB game.
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RAMS Thread Mk II « Result #28 on Dec 20, 2009, 11:34pm »
Was reading the other thread and I came across this post. The thread was locked so I thought might as well post the new one
Quote:
Members are intilted to there opinions and shouldn't be slanged off to for posting there thoughts.
I was a paying person in the stands last night and yes it was unfortunate about the lights, but do they seriously expect us to pay money to watch this the way its being run?
Could we maybe start coming togeather on there and build some ideas to grow our team? Not everything members say on here has to be taken so peosonally, and if coaches and players are reading this, then take notice from your fans.
On narangbademon's point about paying money to watch Claxton shield.
I don't mind admitting that I won't be dropping a cent to watch the Rams play this year. Like many others, I am quite happy to sit in the outer eating my own food and saving the cash. I figure like many others I drop nearly a grand per season to play the game, why pay through the nose to come watch as well?
Guys on the team are only young and it is their offseason but when you're considering paying to come watch these guys play, you don't want to hear that half the team has been dropped and a catcher will be playing right field.
Unfortunately that I watch from right field means my attendance isn't recorded officially, and BQ isn't making a cent off me either. I'm not losing sleep over it though, because:
Like it or not, you don't win support by pricing people out.
Very simple business principle. You make more in the long run by making $5 profit off 100 people than $100 profit off 5 people. I would be a lot more inclined to drop money into Qld baseball if I wasn't hit for extra cash at the door, at the canteen and in the toilet line.
Ask your average baseballer who drops close to a grand per season on the sport to keep paying through the nose to come watch, and that's a fan you'll never get a cent out of.
What are the profits/costs from the Claxton, anyway?
I'm very happy to support the game in Brisbane. I do it every week, month and year by paying through the nose to play it in parks across the city. Their canteens don't do too shabbily out of me either
I would also be quite willing to support the sport, BQ and Windsor by buying reasonably-priced food through their canteen (I do it every time we play them), except for being locked out of it by choosing not to pay for the privilege of walking in the gate and get the chance to spend even more money.
You'll always get the diehards willing to pay the cash, but if you keep bumping up the prices they're the only ones you end up ripping off. Everybody else will have long since left.
I may not be making the most popular post here, it's just the view of someone who BQ currently isn't making a cent from.
Re: So, when does a time game end? « Result #29 on Dec 20, 2009, 10:00pm »
Bobby, I think that the manager of the team that you played needs to read the current rules.
By-Law 3.3 only applies "in the event of double headers..." so cannot be applied to most game days. You have said, though, that this was a Major B game to be followed by a double header so in this case, he was correct to say the game had to finish right on time, not to complete the innings.
By-Law 3.4 is as reads....very clear but, I believe is overridden in the instance of a double header following.
What is not clear, is the term "scheduled time". I believe, in accordance with By-Law 3.1, all games should be 2 hours long and that all players, no matter what grade, are entitled to compete in a game of this duration. However, By-Law 3.9 contradicts this if "scheduled time" means the time on the clock...ie 2pm - 4pm. Because of this conflict, we must take "scheduled finish time" as being 2 hours after the start.
By-Law 3.9, throws a spanner in the works and means that a game can be cut short if the preceding game goes over time to complete their innings. I agree with T when he points out that there is plenty of time allowed between games to let everyone have a fair go.
The manager, however, is mistaken when he quotes a "ten minute warning". The only place this exists is in the BQ Tournament Rules and is very often quoted, particularly in the lower grades.
These rules definitely need to be more clearly written before next season as it leads to different interpretations every week.
Re: Brisbane ABL Home Ground « Result #31 on Dec 20, 2009, 9:22pm »
RF44, my suggestion was not for the short term but for the eventual location. Short term, the ABL have very little option but to use facilities that are already in place as those who have been involved with developing a baseball facility know, you couldn't build what you need from scratch unless you had a bottomless pit of money and more than six months. We know that, despite the MLB underwriting this new comp for a substantial amount, they are still on a limited budget.
There are various other locations that I believe could be considered. What about Perry Park or the new Ballymore development? Perhaps the ABL franchise people should talk to the QRU who are having trouble breaking through red tape to make their dreams happen. A multi-sport facility has much greater chance of attracting funding and ultimate success through the sharing of facilities.
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Re: So, when does a time game end? « Result #35 on Dec 20, 2009, 7:20pm »
I think 3.3 would be the only one to apply for all games affected by double headers as it is specific to double headers.
Any lower grade games would finish on the hour and revert if necessary. So the coach got it right. Wait on an official word from QBUA, but I believe that is the correct ruling.
So, when does a time game end? « Result #36 on Dec 20, 2009, 7:13pm »
I thought I'd throw this question out there, since it arose in a game today. (For non-Queensland readers, a lot of this relates to the BQ Bylaws & Rules.)
My basic understanding was that in a 2-hour game an innings commenced before the 2-hour mark was completed, and that an innings commenced with the 3rd out of the previous innings. Exceptions are if home team is ahead, or the 10-run 'mercy' rule (after 3.5 or 4 complete innings) applies. And that the 2-hour mark was 2 hours after scheduled game start.
But then today one manager argued that the game finished exactly on the 2-hour mark, not completing of innings etc. There was also some mention of a 10-minute warning.
I don't find the BQ rules & by-laws clear cut on this. Some quotes:
"Under normal circumstances, games will be considered finished when either the maximum time duration or the maximum innings, as determined by Leagues in their bylaws, is reached." Rules - General Playing Rules - B "All other games [ie not ML] are 2 hours." Bylaw 3.1 "Lower grade games must finish on time." Bylaw 3.3 "An inning started before the scheduled finishing time shall be completed. An inning starts immediately after the final out of the previous innings" Bylaw 3.4 "Any game started late must finish at the scheduled time." Bylaw 3.9
So one reading is that the game stops at the scheduled time (BL 3.3, 3.9). Another is that you complete the innings (BL 3.4). A third is that you let the game go for 2 hours (Rules & BL 3.1).
The clear reason for limits is so that subsequent games aren't pushed back (which is why there's a 30-minute gap).
Q1: If we take the 'complete the innings' approach, what happens when an innings commenced not long before the 2-hour mark ends up dragging on into, or close to, the start time for the next game (ie fills up the 30-minute buffer?)
Q2: Is there a BQ writing (or convention) that supports the 'stop on the hour' argument that the manager put forth? (Further context was that it was Major B to be followed by Major A double header.)
A lot of this seems to come back to what BQ mean by "on time" or "the scheduled time" in their bylaws.
Re: Brisbane ABL Home Ground « Result #37 on Dec 20, 2009, 6:49pm »
The long term home of Brisbane ABL does not need to be at any existing club field and might not be, rather independant control to ABL but with a good location like Mt.Gravatt Eagles currently has for sure.
The first and most important issue is short term 3 year ABL location . Holloway has it's pros and cons as do a few other club options short term. The lights at Holloway are obviously a con that might be hard to rectify cheaply for ABL 10/11. The lights and noise curfew issue at Holloway is unlikely to ever go away due to local neighbour political pressure.
3 year Short term? what sort of existing Lighting, facilities, car parking and volunteer infrastructure do Mt.Gravatt Eagles have in place
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Re: Brisbane ABL Home Ground « Result #38 on Dec 20, 2009, 6:28pm »
Hendra could never be an option because of neighbours. There would be curfew problems the same as Windsors. Mt.Gravatt does seem to be the ideal location as wildpitch23 suggested and may be the half way point between the Gold Coast and Ipswich fans and Fans from the North side of Brisbane. I think fans need something to look forward to in the long term rather than a temporary and unsuitable home like windsors.
Re: Brisbane ABL Home Ground « Result #39 on Dec 20, 2009, 6:04pm »
What about Mt Gravatt Eagles grounds? Being right on the freeway, it is easily accessible from all directions, including the airport. They have plenty of room there to include parking and facilities could be built from scratch to suit the unique needs of this competition. The ground is highly visible from the Gateway arterial so that a billboard advertising games and the lights would attract attention from non-baseball people. This would also assist a small club that has a long history in Brisbane baseball to continue to operate.
Fun Junior game reports « Result #40 on Dec 20, 2009, 4:08pm »
There are some very clever people out there and well done to those who spend the time and effort for weekly Junior game reports by email and website for the benefit of their team families.
Re: Washouts « Result #45 on Dec 20, 2009, 1:35pm »
At Pine Hills: SQBL "A" Completed with PH winning over Indians.
Major B started and PH Leading 3-0 after 2innings when the heavens opened up... minor Hail and a lovely view of 3 new waterfalls behind the PH amenities block.
B's and double header A's washed out at Pine Hills
Re: Official ABL QLD RAMS Supporters Thread....... « Result #48 on Dec 20, 2009, 1:27pm »
Hi, new to the forum. Thought I would finally join and type a few things. It seems the people on here taking the most offence to whats been said are either players, coaches or somehow with the Queensland Rams in some way. If you can not take critisism then maybe you shouldn't be on here taking things so personally. Members are intilted to there opinions and shouldn't be slanged off to for posting there thoughts.
I was a paying person in the stands last night and yes it was unfortunate about the lights, but do they seriously expect us to pay money to watch this the way its being run?
Could we maybe start coming togeather on there and build some ideas to grow our team? Not everything members say on here has to be taken so peosonally, and if coaches and players are reading this, then take notice from your fans.
In case you didn't hear Kim Jessop's announcement last night - the rain check vouchers handed out to paying patrons at the game yesterday will be honoured for the Qld vs NSW series in January. This was a goodwill gesture as OBR 4.10(f) states that they didn't have to be honoured.
A rain-check voucher can be exchanged at the entry gate for a ticket to either the Friday 22/1 game or Saturday 23/1 double-header. Note that there are Adult and Child vouchers: Rain_Ad or Rain_Ch.
Let's all get behind the Rams and try for a HUGE crowd when we play the Patriots.
I think for there own safety and for the survival of baseball in QLD at least they offer a free ticket, hahah I doubt after last night we will see another crowd over 200 people, also could someone tell me why the fastest outfielder was on the bench and a catcher was playing right field? Im sorry but the more and more I watch this team play the more I think my A grade team would BEAT them as we are a team, not 20 individuals playing a team sport. BOOM
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